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Re: Re: African state new SC permanent member?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2005, 07:07:21 PM »
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Why not Sudan?
Why not Uganda?
Why not Sierra Leone?

What guidelines are they planning on using for membership?

Population?
GDP?

Do they get a veto?

Do they get more than one vote ?



It was the African congress that put these candidates up. I dont know what kinda guidance they used.

The issue will be solved by a vote in the General Assambly of UN. 2/3 of the 191 votes is needed for a change of SC.
They might get a Veto, they might not. UN might even remove the Veto for all countries in the SC and extend it with atleast 7 more chairs for permanent members and to be in total 26, instead of 15.

This is a good thing for us all and it will bring more life into UN.

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2005, 07:28:36 PM »
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I canīt help it, USA where one of the countries that formed the rules of UN, kinda founding member, hate to see you leave, but.....
Playing by the rules where never a USA thing, was it? Not even when it was their own,,,,,,


     That mean we can boot your pals out of NYC then?
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2005, 07:39:14 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2005, 07:59:25 PM »
Patrone,

      You are sort of 'new' to this board.   You really need understand that a lot of us have really 'fixed' views on many things.  Mine happened to be the United Nations and the Third World.  Now....., there's no one  going to change my mind about the first being a 'Joke' and the second 'Very Dangerous'.
     I could go on, and on.  Rwanda as an example of the only country to have a Nun charged with Genocide.  I don't think Nazi Germany equaled that.  But, in the end, what's the point?  
     I'm guessing that you're a 'Liberal'.  One thing that has always baffled me is the Romanticism that liberals have for the Third World.  Is it because they are supposed to be 'victims' of some kind?   Who knows...?  
     Any way, it's not personal.  I'm sure you're a fine 'Citizen of the World' who just wants to see 'Justice' for the poor and downtrodden.  
     But, it might be nice it you'd add your nationality to your 'avatar.   That will give us a better 'target'...:)

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2005, 07:59:42 PM »
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That mean we can boot your pals out of NYC then?


Id be very fine with any decision that the People of the USA would make that would not harm another state, if this is what you want. Thereīs just the spot for it in Brussels or Strassburgh...Wait, Berlin,,yes, that would be the ultimate position.

But to tell you the truth....

(Hi, by the way Martlett, no catches on the other boards, maybe you should change bait, or sharpen the hooks?)

My reply to Martlet was just a depart from the original tread: Africa in SC.

If you donīt mind, I would like to talk about that. If you want to talk about USA leaving UN, please make your own post, will ya, Rino?

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2005, 08:02:04 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2005, 08:06:33 PM »
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Patrone,

      You are sort of 'new' to this board.


No he is not. He was known as "Swedish Chef" and Crabofix in the times of old.

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2005, 08:07:49 PM »
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Patrone,

      You are sort of 'new' to this board.   You really need understand that a lot of us have really 'fixed' views on many things.  Mine happened to be the United Nations and the Third World.  Now....., there's no one  going to change my mind about the first being a 'Joke' and the second 'Very Dangerous'.
     I could go on, and on.  Rwanda as an example of the only country to have a Nun charged with Genocide.  I don't think Nazi Germany equaled that.  But, in the end, what's the point?  
     I'm guessing that you're a 'Liberal'.  One thing that has always baffled me is the Romanticism that liberals have for the Third World.  Is it because they are supposed to be 'victims' of some kind?   Who knows...?  
     Any way, it's not personal.  I'm sure you're a fine 'Citizen of the World' who just wants to see 'Justice' for the poor and downtrodden.  
     But, it might be nice it you'd add your nationality to your 'avatar.   That will give us a better 'target'...:)



yes I am very new to this board, Otto. It is good that you point out theese things for me. Thank you very much.
 And no, I have no political view at all. I kick anyone in the apple if it is needed, Socialists and liberals in particular.

Read up a little about "bananarepublics" and you will realize why it is called a "bananarepublic" and also what this kind of politic does in making or keeping a country as a 3:rd world country.

As Maniac seems to have left (My old pal from WB) I am virtully the only Swede making posts here. I think it should not be to hard to remember.

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2005, 09:06:38 PM »
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None.  Why would you make a nation that is completely insignificant a permanent member of the SC?  Why need to get rid of some that are already there.



Same here.
 For the same reasons.
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2005, 01:43:41 AM »
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Why not, France got a seat.

So Africa already got a seat :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2005, 03:27:07 AM »
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So Africa already got a seat :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


So it's finally offical, France has become the Islamic Emirate of Algeria?

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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2005, 04:14:38 AM »
Yeah and Spanish finally conquered new world :)

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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2005, 04:40:36 AM »
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Yeah and Spanish finally conquered new world :)


Naw, Spain is now the Moorish Sultanate of Iberia.

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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2005, 06:03:31 AM »
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After understanding a lot of your posts you would like USA to leave. Would you even care who would take your place?



There are many, many, folks in the US that would like the US to quit the UN all together. It provides no useful (or very limited) benefit for us. The US would be better off building coalitions on a regional basis.

I personally feel the same way. The US should leave the UN, not pay any more into it. It's a pointless institution in its relationship with the US. It's simply an international 'wealth distribution bureaucracy' run by feel good corrupt leftists who seem willing to keep a little for themselves. It only provides a 'soap box' for the insignificant nations and in particular for third world cesspools.

France certainly shouldn't have a seat on the SC, in fact at this point 'Euro-nation' should get but 1 seat in the UN all together. After their performance in Rwanda (along with Belgium) and their ignoring of Sudan (France has oil interests in Sudan) they should be given a seat in the back row.

FYI, Kofi Annan was the UN head of peacekeeping during the Rwandan massacre, heck of a job he did there.

You can read the above as typical Ami 'French-bashing' or 'Euro-bashing' if you wish. However, I am just qualifying my reasoning. If it ends up coming across as 'euro-hating' so be it.

As a left wing Swede you may not quite understand some Americans rejection of the 'Internationale' but the 'rewards' aren't worth our (US citizens) 'investment'.

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can you tell me exactly why a "third" country would have less saying than another one? Because they are stupid?


Not all nations, opinions, and / or value systems are equal and deserving consideration. Some things deserve to be ignored. It's simple egalitarian non-sense to think otherwise.
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2005, 06:21:44 AM »
Wotan has hit the nail on the head I think. To the average American the UN is  obsolete and actually harmful to American interests.  Now you might not agree or you may say that the UN is helpful to American interests but that is pointless. What is important is what the man on the street thinks, and the man on the street wants the USA out of the UN and the UN kicked out of the USA.  Actually I've heard the word "Isolationism" coming from allot of American mouths lately, and they aren't speaking poorly of it, if you get my meaning.