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Offline JB88

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« on: February 03, 2005, 04:01:30 PM »
ran-Contra Figure to Lead Democracy Efforts Abroad

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Thursday, February 3, 2005; Page A25

Elliott Abrams, who pleaded guilty in 1991 to withholding information from Congress in the Iran-contra affair, was promoted to deputy national security adviser to President Bush.

Abrams, who previously was in charge of Middle East affairs, will be responsible for pushing Bush's strategy for advancing democracy.

The White House also announced yesterday that Faryar Shirzad, a deputy national security adviser for international economic affairs, will take on added responsibilities for humanitarian affairs, stabilization and reconstruction efforts.

Prior to joining the NSC staff, Shirzad was assistant secretary for import administration at the Commerce Department. Before that, he was the lead coordinator of international trade policy for the Bush-Cheney transition team.

The White House had earlier tapped J.D. Crouch, the U.S. ambassador to Romania, for the No. 2 job at the National Security Council, under national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley.

Abrams has served as special assistant to the president and senior director for Near East and North African affairs since December 2002. He will continue work on Israeli-Palestinian affairs in concert with Hadley and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

Abrams's 1991 plea stemmed from the congressional inquiry into the Iran-contra affair during President Ronald Reagan's administration. On Oct. 10, 1986, Abrams, then a State Department employee, testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that he did not know that Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North was directing illegal arms sales to Iran and diverting the proceeds to assist the Nicaraguan contras.

Abrams was pardoned by Bush's father, President George H.W. Bush.

His name surfaced last year as part of the investigation into who leaked the name of a CIA operative whose husband publicly disputed Bush administration claims that Iraq tried to buy uranium in Africa. White House spokesman Scott McClellan has said that Abrams denied responsibility.
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2005, 04:10:39 PM »
They really know how to take care of their own. Just what we need more dishonest people in charge.

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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2005, 04:13:53 PM »
Is it really that difficult to put a link to the source of the story?
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2005, 04:15:34 PM »
you of course are saying that it was wrong to support the Nicaraguan contras after the democratic congress cut off aid to them just like the demo congress did to south vietnam, you of course wanted the communist sandanistas to win as you wanted  north vietnam to defeat south vietnam.

am i close here?


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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2005, 04:18:46 PM »
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Is it really that difficult to put a link to the source of the story?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59235-2005Feb2.html

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2005, 04:21:48 PM »
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you of course are saying that it was wrong to support the Nicaraguan contras after the democratic congress cut off aid to them just like the demo congress did to south vietnam, you of course wanted the communist sandanistas to win as you wanted  north vietnam to defeat south vietnam.

am i close here?


MLK=some laws are ment to be broken.



ya, i'm sure MLK would have been cool with lying to congress, breaking constitutional law and selling arms to the axis of evil mullahs over there in iran.

give me a break.  

:rofl

btw.  have i mentioned my autographed copy of machiavellis "the prince" - signed by oliver north?

he has a girly handshake btw.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2005, 01:01:36 AM »
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2005, 12:18:27 PM »
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MLK=some laws are ment to be broken.


he also advocated non-violence so I doubt he would support the contras.

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2005, 12:22:27 PM »
oh no, iran-Contras, that was Kofi Annans fault, not Reagan, he had nothing to do with it. It was Un all along, again :mad:

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2005, 12:25:21 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2005, 12:27:43 PM »
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you of course are saying that it was wrong to support the Nicaraguan contras after the democratic congress cut off aid to them just like the demo congress did to south vietnam, you of course wanted the communist sandanistas to win as you wanted  north vietnam to defeat south vietnam.

am i close here?


MLK=some laws are ment to be broken.



US got busted real bad by The International Court of Justice and, only pure fluke, kept Reagan out from being brought infront of a Warcriminal tribunal.

Kissinger has his case  for Veitnam. Does´nt do to much traveling nowadays, I heard.

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2005, 12:28:40 PM »
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ya, i'm sure MLK would have been cool with lying to congress, breaking constitutional law and selling arms to the axis of evil mullahs over there in iran.


Maybe not but Clinton sure was.
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2005, 01:10:12 PM »
come on, you can do better than that.

clinton isnt the issue here.  his mistakes cant cover the mistakes being made right here, right now.

can anyone really say that this is a good idea?

i, for one would be happy just to hear one republican here say "bad move."  just one.

it might shed a little hope on the future.

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2005, 01:15:11 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2005, 01:34:39 PM »
Quick question, is the assumption in the beginning of this post that once you make a mistake, you can never recover from it?

If the guy can serve, and has the experience, then maybe he's the right person for the job.  I don't know ANYTHING about him, mind you, but it seems like our society isn't long on forgiveness.
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