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Toad · « **Reply #75 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:53:51 PM »

If you recall... or should I hand deliver another link... I always stipulated that WMD would have to be found to justify the attack on a sovereign nation. Otherwise, I would withdraw my support. I posted that long before the invasion. It's that Just War Theory thing.

I'm sure you remember that. My position has been consistent from day one.

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And by the way, 1.5 tons of VX nerve gas has never been acounted for. Did it vanish in thin air?

So, was it

1) Destroyed a long time ago and not recorded

2) Still hidden in Iraq

or 3) Moved someplace?

So, just what was accomplished again if it is 1, 2 or 3?

Somebody looks rediculous but I don't think it's me. But then, it must be a familiar feeling for you.

NUKE · « **Reply #76 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:59:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
If you recall... or should I hand deliver another link... I always stipulated that WMD would have to be found to justify the attack on a sovereign nation.

Hey, that's easy enough for me.....

Why would you make such a fuss about saying that to begin with? Why evade the simple question? Why evade and post links instead of simply answering?

Why post in support of the article in this thread when you really have no belief in anything presented in the article?

Elfie · « **Reply #77 on:** February 04, 2005, 10:03:02 PM »

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Did we find the WMD?

We didnt find actual weapons. We did find that Saddam's WMD programs were still functioning. Although they were functioning on a much smaller scale than they were pre-Gulf War 1.

Toad · « **Reply #78 on:** February 04, 2005, 10:17:10 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Hey, that's easy enough for me.....

Why would you make such a fuss about saying that to begin with? Why evade the simple question? Why evade and post links instead of simply answering?

Why post in support of the article in this thread when you really have no belief in anything presented in the article?

Why don't you remember what you read? Is it too much to expect after we've had this same discussion multiple times?

Why do you ASSume that I don't believe anything in the article?

BTW, please show me where the author specifically endorses our invasion of Iraq.

lada · « **Reply #79 on:** February 05, 2005, 06:41:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
We didnt find actual weapons. We did find that Saddam's WMD programs were still functioning. Although they were functioning on a much smaller scale than they were pre-Gulf War 1.

Any evidence but plain words ?
May be evidence were those 160T of explosive whitch disappeared

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #80 on:** February 05, 2005, 07:43:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
The French anti-terrorist forces have been a whole lot more sucessful than the Americans recently.

Osama Bin missing for a while now.

Has it ever occured too anyone we may already know where Bin Laden is and can get him whenever we please?

Bin Laden himself, is just a small partof the equasion. And his death or capture alone will do little to win the war on terror.

Kinda like a Dandelion if you cut the floweer off it will just grow a new one.

It may make more sence to monitor him for a while. And give him a false sence of security and allow everyone to gather the kind of intel that would widen the scope of the net that can be used to capture or thwart future attacks.

If your at war would you rather kill a general whom would most certainly be replaced by a new one or be made privy to the generals plans, know what the general knows. force composition. Location of forces etc?

Im not saying thats how it really is. But it very well could be.

Capturing /killing Bin Laden would make great headlines. But in the end would by itself accomplish very little

Scaevola · « **Reply #81 on:** February 05, 2005, 03:12:00 PM »

I think that if they knew where Osama Bin Liner was they would knab him as this would be seen as a major blow to terrorism by the media fed masses. It would probably get G W elected for a 3rd time (despite your constitution/law thing about the presidents term in office).

However, you're right about the fact that it wouldn't really make that much difference to the activitys of terrorists. The British intelligence had the same view in combating the IRA and other para-military organizations in Ireland, it was easier to keep an eye on those they knew than to try and find out who the new members were.

The laws that are currently on the table in the UK are sufficient and tough enough in my opinion and I don't believe that the UK is soft on terrorism. The ability to jail people without charge is about as severe as you can get, short of executing them.

btw Masherbrum, does being 200 yards away from the 2001 bomb blast in Ealing and being in a pub in Wembley 50 yards away from an assassination of a recruiting officer by the IRA count as experience of terrorism first hand?

Flyboy · « **Reply #82 on:** February 05, 2005, 03:36:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Heh Finnish wimps at Golan heights received grenade fire from Israel while US was using its veto in SC and delivering more ammo to Israelis to shoot Bluebarets.

F...ing *******; Why didn't you bomb UN positions yourself ?

now now... heres a tissue.. feel batter?

*i am not making fun of the poor UN soldiers*

Zulu7 · « **Reply #83 on:** February 06, 2005, 02:11:07 PM »

Hey Scaevola.

Here here.

Sorry masherbrum but you were wrong this time. We have had terrorism and it is a little galling to hear America telling us that they are under attack etc etc. The Twin towers were a tragedy. But please you are not the only nation to have suffered from terrorism as the many posts by Brits on this subject have hopefully shown.

Dowding · « **Reply #84 on:** February 07, 2005, 01:14:45 PM »

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I would have to say that the UK does NOT know how Terrorism feels. Unless you live in and around Northern Ireland. I had a Counter-Terrorism class in college and the Professor was from the Scotland Yard dealing with the NRA. Even he said most British and Irish people haven't the slightest clue, unless they were close to Northern Ireland.

Europe IS soft on Terroism. You sat back, pissed, moaned, groaned long enough to allow the WMD's to be shifted to other countries (Syria, Jordan, and possibly Iran). Spain is screwed because of the increasing Algerian population, they know how it feels.

Tell that that 12 year old kid killed in Warrington, or those killed in the Birmingham pubs.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

BTW, big thanks to the US for the IRA fundraisers. I particularly liked the 'Lemonade for nail-bombs' concept.

beet1e · « **Reply #85 on:** February 07, 2005, 01:43:50 PM »

Mr. Toad,

When you are finished in your pow-wow with NUKE, I have a question for you!

I see that you feel that only if WMD were present was there a justification for war. Fair enough. But turning back to 1991, once Kuwait had been liberated, would you have supported an initiative to depose Saddam at that time, given that GB1 was telling us all about Saddam's quest to build arms (and nuclear arms at that) ??