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Offline Gh0stFT

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« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2005, 12:11:43 PM »
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OTOH , I work very close with the German law enforcement authorities - nothing but praise, very professional in all the help we get from them. You would be surprised the info passed between the two countries.


whats your problem then ?
this was before bush and it will be after him too.
But what have this to do with Bushs way of fighting Terror
and disagreeing with him?
but go on bash further the "average german", have fun.

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« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2005, 12:20:35 PM »
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but go on bash further the "average german", have fun.

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« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2005, 01:09:05 PM »
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I would have to say that the UK does NOT know how Terrorism feels.   Unless you live in and around Northern Ireland.   I had a Counter-Terrorism class in college and the Professor was from the Scotland Yard dealing with the NRA.  Even he said most British and Irish people haven't the slightest clue, unless they were close to Northern Ireland.

 

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Just to follow up on Zulus response, here are some highlights from the last 27 years. Its clear someone doesn't have the slightest clue and I think its your Professor.

BBC Television Centre, Shepherd's Bush, March 2001 Officers were carrying out a controlled explosion on a bomb in a taxi when it went off yards from the front door of BBC Television Centre. Staff had already been evacuated after police received a coded warning. A London Underground worker suffered deep cuts and some damage was caused to the front of the building.

MI6 spy headquarters, central London, September 2000 A rocket launcher device was used in an attack on the MI6 spy headquarters in central London. The missile shattered an eighth floor window on the southern side of the building, but there were no casualties. Dissident Irish republicans were the main suspects.

Ealing Broadway, July 2000 Police destroyed a bomb left near railway tracks near Ealing Broadway tube station. Dissident republican terrorist group the Real IRA was understood to be behind the attack.

Hammersmith Bridge, June 2000 A high grade bomb exploded underneath the bridge without warning. No one was injured but the blast caused traffic chaos. Dissident republican terrorist group the Real IRA was believed to be behind the attack.

Aldwych bus, February 1996 IRA man Edward O'Brien was blown up and killed by his own bomb when it accidentally detonated and ripped apart the bus on which he was travelling as it passed along Aldwych, central London.

Docklands, February 1996 The IRA signals the end of its first ceasefire with the bombing of South Quay in London's Docklands, killing two people and injuring many more.

Israeli Embassy, July 1994 14 people injured by a 30lb bomb at the embassy near Kensington Palace. A second bombing struck Balfour House in Finchley, north London, home of an Israeli charity, 12 hours later. Four people were slightly hurt. Islamic extremists were blamed.

Heathrow Airport, March 1994 The IRA launched a series of mortar attacks on the airport, partially paralysing the capital's main air route.

Bishopsgate, April 1993 An IRA truck bomb devastated the Bishopsgate area of London's financial centre, killing one and injuring 44, as well as causing damage running into hundreds of millions of pounds.

City of London, April 1992 Three killed when IRA bomb exploded outside the Baltic Exchange.

Downing Street, February 1991 The IRA fired mortar bombs at Downing Street during a Gulf War Cabinet meeting presided over by the then Prime Minister, John Major. No one hurt.

Harrods, December 1983 Six killed, three of them police, and 90 injured in IRA bombing.

Hyde Park, July 1982 Eleven soldiers killed and 50 people injured in attacks on Household Cavalry in Rotten Row and at the band stand in Regent's Park.

Dorchester Hotel, June 1982 A gunman linked to the notorious terrorist Abu Nidal, leader of the Fatah Revolutionary Council, shot and crippled Shlomo Argov, Israel's 53-year-old ambassador to London, in an attack outside the hotel in Park Lane.

House of Commons, March 1979 Airey Neave MP, the then shadow Northern Ireland Secretary and a close friend of Tory leader Margaret Thatcher, was killed by an Irish National Liberation Army car bomb in the Commons' car park.

Europa Hotel, Mayfair, August 1978 An El Al air hostess was killed and six fellow crew members injured in a gun and grenade attack, carried out by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), on a coach outside the hotel in Mayfair. One of the bombers also died.

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« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2005, 01:33:57 PM »
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Originally posted by Yeager
The average european (ie: wimp) does not want to piss off the average suicide bomber.  I guess you cant blame the poor bastards.

Muahahaha :rofl


Shame the US didn't want to piss off the IRA and their gun running collecting not too long ago.  Dealing and greeting terrorists..... how things haved changed since then.
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« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2005, 01:45:28 PM »
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I would have to say that the UK does NOT know how Terrorism feels.   Unless you live in and around Northern Ireland.   I had a Counter-Terrorism class in college and the Professor was from the Scotland Yard dealing with the NRA.  Even he said most British and Irish people haven't the slightest clue, unless they were close to Northern Ireland.

Europe IS soft on Terroism.   You sat back, pissed, moaned, groaned long enough to allow the WMD's to be shifted to other countries (Syria, Jordan, and possibly Iran).   Spain is screwed because of the increasing Algerian population, they know how it feels.  
 
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Yeah, really soft.... from a country that allowed terrorists to go there for weapons, collect money..... do as they will, then all of a sudden they woke up after 9/11.

As for the UK not knowing about terrorism.  Is that the same as no US person knowing about terrorism if they're not from NYC?  

During the height of terrorist activity in the UK, it wasn't just the attacks that affected the public but all the bomb scares.  Often the terrorists would report false bombs to cause major disruption.  It doesn't take much to bring a city to a standstill.  Of course they'd then follow up some time later with a real bomb to keep everyone on their toes.  You see, it's not always about actual bomb attacks but the constant threat and scares, a la terrorism!  No bags, etc., were allowed to be left unattended at any public transport building and if they found one then it's automatically a security threat.  Actually it wasn't until 1997/98 that military personnel were allowed to wear military uniform in public (unless they were on actual duty).  This was because they were a soft target for terrorists.  During heightened activities all personnel would check their vehicles for car bombs which was a popular weapon of the IRA.  All military 'civilian style' vehicles had their military number plates removed to stop them being targetted.  Of course, you couldn't say where you worked either.

I've been to both Loyalist and Nationalist areas in Northern Ireland and of course it was more prominent there.  But where I worked and lived in the UK there were many military bases and the threat was always there.  The nearest attack to where I lived was at military careers information office in a city, not at a base.  It was in a shopping centre and they blew a lorry up outside the building.  Even now all military bases have their security alert based on terrorism and I can't even remember a time when the alert wasn't at its lowest.  Again, any unclaimed/unidentified bag/object is blown up as a security threat.
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« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2005, 03:43:04 PM »
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*Some*, not all, European governments appear soft on terrorism and/or Islamo-fascism.  It could be that Theo Van Gogh's murder has become a sort of wake up call tho.


well i didnt note that somebody compare Islamist militants with facist over here.

Facist were about to implement their ideas to the neighbour countries and whole world..... Like Bush

but anyway.... in Europe we are not pushed to belive that Militants=terrorist=islam=must be annihilated.

We have some history and we know very well that not every information is true.
Specialy when its publish by some "hiden, reliable" with arogant attitude source.

I think that only people who never ever travell abroad the world can separate other by their nationality, origin, race or continent.

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« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2005, 03:47:47 PM »
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I find this simply  amazing.

Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, is incredibly arrogant.


Well ... he is just some COE.. there are hundreds of thousands like he in europe.... so what ?
Shall we lick your nose, coz he wrote his opinion ?

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« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2005, 05:37:21 PM »
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Matthias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge  German
publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering
attack in  DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily newspaper,
against the timid reaction of  Europe in the face of the
Islamic threat.

EUROPE - THY NAME IS  COWARDICE


As I have said all along to the Euros.  I couldn't agree more with Mr. Dapfner.  You are also going to be out bred of your countries those moslems procreate like roaches when they aren't having pedophilic homosexual encounters.  :D

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« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2005, 06:24:45 PM »
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Shall we lick your nose, coz he wrote his opinion ?


Aaaaah..?  Could you run that through the Translator again....?

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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2005, 06:37:53 PM »
hey Toad, I went throught both threads.

I conclude that you feel the invasion of Iraq was not worth the loss of life because WMD have not been found. Would have been pretty easy to just say that rather than make me dig through all that garbage again.

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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2005, 06:39:33 PM »
Well, Nuke, it would have been even easier for you to remember the answer you got the first sixteen times you asked me the question.

After all, as you say, it's pretty simple. Although you have summarized my position incompletely and somewhat incorrectly in the above post.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2005, 06:45:01 PM »
Well, you never gave an answer that I saw. I saw a lot of different opinions, but the common theme that I saw was from the second link, where you said many times, basically, that you where for the war when you thought there might be WMD, then after we had not found them, you where opposed to it, would not vote for Bush and stated that the war was not worth the 800+ lives because no WMD where found.

That's what I got as your overall view.

And since you didn't care to answer currently or definitavely, that's all I can go on.

Now, if you had asked me the same question, I could answer you faster than it would take to look up and post a link to my past posts.

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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2005, 06:52:19 PM »
And Toad,

I brought the whole thing up because it's amazing to me that you read the article posted here and then comment on it as though you support the portrayed views of American resolve against tryanny and genocide.

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« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2005, 07:39:54 PM »
Storch you are  racist in your post! Hope that was tounge in cheek and if it wasn't my response to you would get binned by the administrator. ( pity your post didn't ) at the very least it was  inflamatory idiot nonsense.

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« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2005, 07:54:11 PM »
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Now Masherbrum

Thats is tosh. I live in Birmingham a city badky attacked by IRA in the 70's so  bad that it is still a source of tension and sorrow now. londoners have been attacked. Over and over again. My girlfreind lived in Ealing when a bomb went of there a few years ago.

Mate it seems your education was a pile of pants. Your comments are ignorant and a little insulting!


Insulting?   Seems you should follow the examples you spew.  :aok

Education?   I went to a Private College.   I apologize, but why is it every person says the 9/11 attacks were an attack on the US?   It was an attack on The World.  It seems to be a good wake up call for the US and some other countries.  However, there are a few other countries that have yet to see the light of day.

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