Author Topic: Autopilot  (Read 5422 times)

Offline Golfer

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6314
Autopilot
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2005, 09:43:05 AM »
I don't mean to make anyone mad or upset about anything, either.  Innocent before guilt though, right?  I really hope some of you would do the same or have someone who would do the same for you.

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Autopilot
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2005, 09:51:51 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
I personally think it's hardly an appropriate question to ask someone to supply information about an airplane they do not own without consent of the [former] owner, whether or not it's your father.


Golfer, you're starting to sound like an apologist.

Most any guy here that had flown IN a Mustang, let alone had 500 hours in one would be so eager to show you pictures that you'd think they just had their firstborn son and wanted to show you pictures.

Some guy claims to have 500 hours in a Mustang... a large amount of time in an expensive Warbird. Other guys say "which one?" and the reply is "I don't remember".

Only two real options here: The guy is outright lying or he's paranoid that the Internet Stalkers are going to hunt him down and steal all his wealth and liberty because he once flew Moonbeam McSwine for 500 hours.

Which do you think is more likely?

Tell you what, this whole story has piqued Reg Urschler's interest. Next time you talk to Straiga, ask him if he'd talk to Reg. Then I'll ask Reg if he thinks it's all straight up.

Surely he can trust a retired USAF General that owned (now belongs to the CAF; he donated it) and currently flies a P-51. Reg may well be the high-time Mustang pilot in the US right now.

I'll be happy to supply Reg's number if you can set this up.

Thanks.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2005, 10:10:06 AM by Toad »
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline hitech

  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 12425
      • http://www.hitechcreations.com
Autopilot
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2005, 09:53:37 AM »
I'm sorta with golfer on this one. Somthing dosn't smell right, but would like to hear a response.

HiTech

Offline Bodhi

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8698
Autopilot
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2005, 10:22:34 AM »
I would like to ask another question based on this (Straiga's Bio):

Quote
33 yrs of flying 9yrs US navy flying 14Ds and now Airline Pilot for Major Carrier Certified Flight Instructor airplane & Helicopter


What year did you go through Pensecola?  Surely you would remember your class number.  Flying the Tomcat, hell that in itself is an amazing accomplishment.  Surely you remember the ships you were group was assigned to and the years you did cruises.  Were you in East or West Coast Squadrons?  

Just curious.
I regret doing business with TD Computer Systems.

Offline Wotan

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7201
Autopilot
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2005, 10:57:29 AM »
Sweat Jesious,

More like Voss everyday...

Offline Golfer

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6314
Autopilot
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2005, 03:09:05 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
I would like to ask another question based on this (Straiga's Bio):



What year did you go through Pensecola?  Surely you would remember your class number.  Flying the Tomcat, hell that in itself is an amazing accomplishment.  Surely you remember the ships you were group was assigned to and the years you did cruises.  Were you in East or West Coast Squadrons?  

Just curious.


This is the stuff I'm trying to prevent.  If he gets you guys his LOA and logbooks...where does it end?

Would you be willing to just give the benefit of the doubt if he could produce an LOA or a photo or photocopy of his certificate listing his experimental authorization?  Do you want his DD-214 (I think thats the document).  Statements signed and notarized by former squadron COs?  It has to end someplace, and having people asking me to prove that I have a certain qualification isn't so bad.  When it keeps on coming is when it would get real frustrating.

The guy is picking me up at the airport in Vegas at 10pm in 9 days for crying out loud.  If it's in anyone's interest I'll at least know for certain and barring any unforeseen circumstance I don't see why he'd make this up.

I know this much...he flies international for Hawaiian.  He also flies for an aeromedical outfit in Arizona (no I don't have a name, I didn't and still don't have a reason to prod) which is a several hour drive from his home.  I don't know anymore whats/whys and I don't care.  Toad, of all people you should know if he is out on a trip he very well might not have internet access or time to care about going's on in the HTC forums.  

What if he goes and totals up his logbook (a long and unfun enough task) and finds he has 463 hours of P-51 time?  Do you proclaim victory and banish him as a fraud from the BBs?

I'm not defending, prosecuting, alleging or anything-ing.  It just seems that these days the BBs users are all to happy to go play hide and seek with the many personalities of Mr.Black who's desperate enough for attention to keep that game going.

I kindly request, out of respect for all here, that if an LOA/Certificate with appropriate ratings is produced that it's declared finished and we all go on about our merry little lives.  Bodhi can restore airplanes.  Straiga can be the unofficial QC czar or AH.  Hitech can amaze us all with his ability to 'coad' and complete inability to produce consistent accurate spelling.  I'll just fly whatever the I can get my hands on to fatten up my anemic logbook.

Offline Bodhi

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8698
Autopilot
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2005, 03:27:54 PM »
Golfer,

I will be more than happy to offer up an open apology, and quit posting for a bit if he wants, should he be right.  If he is not correct, all I want is an open apology to everyone here for being decieving, and a letter written to the Naval Pilot's Association apologising for lying about that.  

Pretty simple request.  Hell, there is no doubt in my mind that he has knowledge about aircraft, I just want to hear the truth, and If I was wrong, I will happily admit it.
I regret doing business with TD Computer Systems.

Offline Golfer

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6314
Autopilot
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2005, 03:33:57 PM »
You're not going to be given time in a penalty box because you had an opinoin.  If someone wagered me anything to not post on the BBs for X amount of time...it wouldn't really matter in my life.  I wouldn't sob.  I wouldn't cry.  I'm here because I like to think I have a little knowledge to offer in case someone needs help.  I also use it to stay updated on HTC and AH developments.  Hence why I don't have 23462346213 posts.

I'd do the same for you (its not whether or not you can provide proof that you are qualified to do something, it's the principal in my own opinoin) if the situation was any other way.  It's stupid and childish to say "liar liar pants on fire" and demand proof for every little this and that.  If you're a known or proven nutjob (Mr.Black for example) then either ignoring or asking for evidence of his ubersniperness is one thing.  If this ends happy...I want a return to business as usual and nobody owes anybody anything.

Offline Bodhi

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8698
Autopilot
« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2005, 06:40:28 PM »
Let me get this staight, you'd be perfectly happy resuming the status quo if someone had falsely represented themself with the sole purpose of deceiving you?

Sorry, but been there done that, not going to allow that type around me ever again.
I regret doing business with TD Computer Systems.

Offline Thrawn

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6972
Autopilot
« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2005, 07:01:25 PM »
Golfer = Straiga = Voss

Offline Golfer

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6314
Autopilot
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2005, 07:07:01 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Thrawn
Golfer = Straiga = Voss



Care to wager a case of this on that statment, Thrawn?

Offline Golfer

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6314
Autopilot
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2005, 07:09:46 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
Let me get this staight, you'd be perfectly happy resuming the status quo if someone had falsely represented themself with the sole purpose of deceiving you?

Sorry, but been there done that, not going to allow that type around me ever again.


Bodhi, not at all!

At this point, after knowing Straiga in-game I don't have any reason to believe he'd make it up.  I was referring to a 'return to normalcy' you might say, if/when it all works itself out with a happy ending.

I just would like to have a verdict before anyone carries out a sentence.  That last line about sums up my stance.  (too bad it took this long to say)

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Autopilot
« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2005, 07:20:24 PM »
First of all, I believe I was the first one who said "relax, he might be out on a trip." I said that on:

02-09-2005 10:48 PM

Straiga replied in that thread on 02-10-2005 07:01 AM. Unfortunately, he chose not to shed any light on his bona fides. He merely referred the "little people" to this Autopilot thread. Another place that he could have resolved the problem but chose not to do so.

So it isn't as if he hasn't had an opportunity to reply; he chose not to provide any definitive information.

BTW, the above isn't an indictiment or "lynchmob" comment; it's merely the historical record so far; might as well all be on the same page.

Where does it end? Well, for me I'd like to know which Mustang and the rough time period he was flying it. I can check it out from there. Golfer, I'm sure you realize there aren't that many retired USAF generals who had Mustangs and let their son fly it a bunch. I don't really anticipate that it would be that hard to verify.

As for the Navy F-14D claims, that's pretty easy too. Name a couple of cruises, with time period and squadron. I'm sure it won't be too tough to track a guy that had a USAF general for a father in the Navy. That'd be almost common squadron knowledge.

I think that'd pretty much do it for me anyway. I personally don't need to see an LOA or a logbook. I'd rather check through the respective communities.

Let me give you an example. I was 343 SRS (later became 38th SRS for the front end crews) from mid-75 to mid-80. Ask just about anyone in that squadron at that time if they knew a guy from Kansas City whose dad was a retired L/C and I think you'll get my name. Had my dad owned a Mustang, everyone on the base would have known me.  ;)

As I've repeatedly pointed out, folks that make these claims ought to expect to be called on it. It's the Intardnet. Anyone can pretend to be anyone nowadays. In this community, Voss fouled the nest and the BS antennae are, as a result, always up.

There are a few things that Straiga has posted that made my particular BS meter needle jump. One of those was the "I can't remember" comment. Can't remember? Pegged the needle there.

If you don't want to tell me, I'd accept a sharp "none of your business". I'd still question the bona fides, but I'd accept the answer.

But a guy that flew a Mustang for 500 hours and "can't remember" which one?

Maybe, "I can't remember the serial number but the N-number was XXXX." or  I can't remember the serial number but the nose art was "Moonbeam McSwine".

Anyway that was one thing; there's more.

As to the entire vital discussions propagated and the game, I'm sorry but I view a large part of it as nitpicking. I didn't bother to read the full engine torque thread but surely most pilots realize that flying is the continual adjusting of controls to achieve the desired result or flight path.

You're coming down final, the crosswind changes two knots, you make a basically unconscious correction. You slowly burn off fuel in one wing tank and you continually, unconsciously make a small alieron correction (or dial in some trim) to compensate.

In most of the aircraft modeled here, engine torque is never going to be some huge factor. It's going to be a relatively small change that you will unconsciously adjust to as necessary.

Now I never was a big "gotta know every single detail about how this rivet affects total drag" kind of guy. I just fly the airplane where it needs to go mostly in whatever circumstances I find myself in.

I think HT has pretty in-depth knowledge of what he is modeling. I think he has modeled BETTER THAN ANYONE SO FAR IN A MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE AIR COMBAT GAME.

And he provides that for $15/month. So you know what? I'm not going to drag out all my old aerodynamic books to see just exactly how much that rivet that's .35 of an inch taller than it should be  affects the flight model. Cuz I don't care.

Same for this autopilot thread. Most of the aircraft in this game never had any sort of a/p in real life. HT gave us an a/p that allows me to answer the door and pay the Pizza man while I'm climbing out. Good deal, sez I. Do I care if it works like the a/p in a B-767? Not in the friggin least.

Sorry for running on.

Like I said, if I claimed to have 500 hours in the P-51 and started telling folks to listen to me cuz I know and I'm telling you how it is, I'd sure as watermelon expect to be called on it and I'd sure as watermelon be ready to provide some easily checked bona fides.

"Yeah, Reg Urschler checked me out in Gunfighter and I fly it when he can't make a show."

I WISH. I got a ride in the backseat with no controls. It was fabulous. It was from New Century Airport in Olathe, Kansas to Lawrence, Kansas the day before they dedicated that building to Bob Dole at KU. Doug Jackson accompanied us in his Tora T-6/Zero and we did a bit of hassling on the way.

See? Not that hard, is it?
« Last Edit: February 11, 2005, 07:22:49 PM by Toad »
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline Golfer

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6314
Autopilot
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2005, 12:05:23 AM »
Copy/Paste from "Straiga P-51 time" thread.  Applies here.

You may want to "Quote" this next post.

All right fellers.  I had about a 1/2 hour vox conversation tonight in the game with Straiga and I will say this...


1.)  I believe him.
2.)  I will be gladly accepting his invitation to his home for a visit while staying in Vegas.
3.)  If he does not in fact hold the qualifications he says, I will provide each person who posted in this forum *up to this point*a full months service of Aces High ($15/person)

If that's not good enough for you to say it's kosher, then I will upon my return from Vegas (Scheduled to arrive back in Columbus at 9:40am on March 11th) provide photographic evidence of his pilot certificate.  I will NOT however, provide any personal information of his.  I will place my pilot certificate next to his when photographing to verify I was there.  Just to make it clear, I will black out the following:

Front:
Name
Address
Date of Birth
Pilot Certificate Number
Date of Issue

On the back:
Name
Certificate Number

This will list his privileges, ratings and limitations.

If I am right, however.  Any takers must say so and then the terms go the other way.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2005, 12:11:46 AM by Golfer »

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Autopilot
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2005, 12:47:25 AM »
Personally, I don't give a fig about his ratings.

I'd like to know if he really has beaucoup hours in a Mustang and if his Dad's a retired General.

Ratings are anything but rare. Mustang time? Rare.

So, find out which Mustang it was and I'll research it from my end, thanks.

Same with the F-14 time. Just get Sqaudron, Cruises and time frame. That'll be plenty.

That's all I'm really interested in.

Thanks in advance.

Too bad he has to use you as an intermediary, eh? Funny he's bashful now after all he had to say about the game.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!