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Offline Raider179

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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2005, 06:50:52 PM »
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How would you explain 10-fold raise in cancer and leukemia levels in iraq ?(comparison pre-war and post-war.)

How do you explain the gulf war syndome?


 

 

Thought they decided it was mainly from us blowing up chemical/biological weapons dumps.

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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2005, 06:54:51 PM »
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That doesn't explain similar symptoms experienced at Balcans, though, does it?

No burning oilwells or chemical warfare there. DU yes.


You asked,

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How do you explain the gulf war syndome?


If you wanted me to explain the Balkan Conflict Syndrome you should have been more specific.
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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2005, 07:06:09 PM »
Symptoms of Gulf War Illnesses (according to the American Legion)

-Chronic Fatigue
-Signs and symptoms involving skin (including skin rashes and unusual hair loss)
-Headache
-Muscle pain
-Neurologic signs or symptoms (nervous system disorders which could manifest themselves in numbness in one's arm, for instance)
-Neuropsychological signs or symptoms (including memory loss)
-Signs or symptoms involving upper or lower respiratory system
-Sleep disturbances
-Gastrointestinal signs or symptoms (including recurrent diarrhea and constipation)
-Cardiovascular signs or symptoms
-Menstrual disorders

Balkan syndrome seems to be more leukimia cluster oriented.
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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2005, 08:25:23 PM »
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According to the document you posted, DU aerosols remain in the lungs and can contain other materials such as plutonium.

Masherbrum it's enlightening to know that you don't give a watermelon of what I think. Now I won't have to worry about hurting your feelings or causing any emotional distress to you.

However the veterans who actually inhaled that stuff (and many of whom are today suffering from the syndrome) surely will disagree with you.


You keep spewing rhetoric about the "Gulf War Syndrome" being caused by Depleted Uranium.  You have YET to back up your accusation with FACT, just conjecture.   Sit down.

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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2005, 08:52:33 PM »
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That doesn't explain similar symptoms experienced at Balcans, though, does it?

No burning oilwells or chemical warfare there. DU yes.



Conclusions drawn by the mission:
5. No convincing evidence is available to indicate any health impacts to the Kosovo
population associated with the use of depleted uranium.

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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2005, 08:56:43 PM »
I'm glad I could provide you with signature material siaf. I'm sure you know more than I do about DU. I only instructed on the topic for a year or so. Of course I wouldn't know anything about Gulf War syndrome. I was exposed to DU, nerve agents, and the oil well fires, but thankfully my health has been good.

Bottom line is that DU exposure symptoms are the same symptoms exhibited by exposure to other heavy metals.

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« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2005, 03:05:29 AM »
What I have found out is that in war, the official truth tends to be somewhat different from the independent research done later.

I'm glad to hear that you made it out healthy and in one piece if you really were there. And I understand that being a soldier it might be fundamentally difficult to question authority and training. However pre-war even the US army official stance was cautionary towards pulverized DU (IF the documentaries I've seen were reliable, sources like BBC.) DU was to be handled with similar care compared to other nuclear hazards. I saw an interview of a british tank repairman who told that in the service they were on their knees with no protection repairing (or salvaging parts) from friendly-fire cases and then later when they transferred the broken hulls to the saudi-side they were greeted with a fully protected team with geiger meters. He says he was quite astonished at that time.

Jeezy: I was referring to effets in combatants, not civililan population. As I understand it in Kosovo the climate is totally different from Iraq. Iraqi climate is dry, dusty and windy which effectively spreads any aerosols to large distances where Kosovo climate is wet and the terrain grassy which then absorbs microparticles effectively. When the particles stop being airborne they stop being a real hazard. Although I've seen documentaries of researchers doing secret studies in Iraq. The geiger meter redlined in most of the spots which were hit during the conflict with DU weapons. The values varied from 200 to 20000 times the normal background radiation.  There were children playing in the tank of which one of the worst levels was measured.
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