Author Topic: Concealed Carry Permit holder crime record (Read 1300 times)

Dago · « **on:** February 05, 2005, 10:37:29 PM »

Found the BCA study for Minnesota in 2003 for the period May 28, 2003 through December 31, 2003 after the law was changed to require Concealed Carry Permits be issued in the absence of a valid reason not to issue.

Total Permits issued 15,677.

Crimes commited by permit holders - 4

Crimes involving a weapon commited by permit holders - 0

So much for the blood bath, road rage killings and general mayhem predicted by the anti-gun alarmists.

dago

MN BCA Report

Toad · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2005, 10:42:30 PM »

Any data on Concealed Butterknife Carriers? They don't get as much training, you know.

Dago · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2005, 12:05:08 AM »

No, but I am busy researching concealed cricket bat permits and the effects on crime in the UK.

dago

Toad · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2005, 12:09:31 AM »

I did have one thought about this though.

Have you considered the fact that "concealed carry" means the gun is encumbered and strapped down by a hidden holster and one or more layers of clothing?

Is it possible that these encumbrances make it much more difficult for the gun to leap out and shoot someone when it wants to do so?

Maybe the guns WANT to jump out and shoot someone but by the time they're aware of the potential target the delay in unholstering themselves and working themselves out through the clothes is just too long and the opportunity passes?

Just sayin'.

Nash · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2005, 12:11:49 AM »

Do you pack heat, Toad?

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2005, 12:14:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
I did have one thought about this though.

Have you considered the fact that "concealed carry" means the gun is encumbered and strapped down by a hidden holster and one or more layers of clothing?

Is it possible that these encumbrances make it much more difficult for the gun to leap out and shoot someone when it wants to do so?

Maybe the guns WANT to jump out and shoot someone but by the time they're aware of the potential target the delay in unholstering themselves and working themselves out through the clothes is just too long and the opportunity passes?

Just sayin'.

You guys got active guns? Damn, I'm disappointed. I got nice guns, but they all just lay there.

Rasker · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2005, 12:22:32 AM »

You must be treating your guns carefully, Virg. The gun always knows when you be incautious.

Pongo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2005, 01:18:30 AM »

They should make everyone that owns a gun go through the concealed gun screening or have thier guns taken away. what a great idea. Think of the decrease in crime. Thanks dago.

eagl · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2005, 04:15:03 AM »

When my Dad (retired cop) carries, it's concealed but he could still fire an aimed shot within about 1.5 seconds. Some people who take this sort of thing seriously can get off an aimed shot within about 1/2 of a second from a concealed holster.

It's all about intent, not the gun or where it's kept/carried.

bunch · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2005, 04:58:35 AM »

I could use the butterknife training. I still have a scar from that deceptively sharp tool

Sox62 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2005, 06:59:30 AM »

Concealed carry was passed here in Ohio last year.

Alas for the anti-gun people,there hasn't been any wild west shootouts on the streets or vigilante justice committed by those with CC licenses.

Nashwan · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2005, 07:42:25 AM »

Why is the gun debate in the US so retarded?

Do people really suggest that guns commit crimes on their own? Or is that simply an appeal to ridicule, used because the facts aren't convienient?

Do people really suggest that owning a gun makes you desire to shoot people, or is that just an appeal to ridicule as well?

Is it really suprising that making people apply for permits, screening out those who have a criminal record, will not result in them immediately becoming criminals?

It just seems a bit childish to me.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 06, 2005, 07:57:34 AM »

VOTE FASTDRAW IN 2006!
We`ll get those dang pesky numbers up.

Dago · « **Reply #13 on:** February 06, 2005, 09:28:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan
Why is the gun debate in the US so retarded?

Because many anti-gunners argue out of emotion and not reality.

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Do people really suggest that owning a gun makes you desire to shoot people, or is that just an appeal to ridicule as well?

No, they really seem to think having a gun handy will turn and the average normal law abiding person into a crazed lunatic shooting at anyone for any slight.

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Is it really suprising that making people apply for permits, screening out those who have a criminal record, will not result in them immediately becoming criminals?

It just seems a bit childish to me.

You are exhibiting common sense with that comment, something sadly lacking in the anti-gun crowd.

dago

lazs2 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2005, 10:19:48 AM »

so nashwan.... Does that mean that you are all for concealled carry? Be aware that to get the licence you normally need do no more than apply and maybe take a 4 hour course... Before the guys like you got ahold of the laws... kids got more training than that in school by the NRA.

So you are saying that.... that what? Law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry concealled? You are doutlessly being logical and noting the drop in crime in the states that allow concealled carry right?

Who would have thought that you were so logical? I thought that you believed that banning guns was the solution.

lazs