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Offline NoBaddy

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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2005, 12:12:05 PM »
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Originally posted by SCDR
:D Not claiming to have perfect memory. In AW there was no HO
option. If you hit someone from the front it was from an angle.
Moggy said it was to keep the dweebs from ruining the fun most
people wanted to have. Collisions were off also. I used to start
a fight that way, when it was 1 v 1. Both fly thru each other than
"Fight On!" and worked to get the best angle you could.

I didn't do much buffing in AW, so I don't know. Most of the
bombing I did was with a hvy fighter and usually with the Sq.
NB you got to agree, the current way AH allows buffs to DB is
ridiculous.

SCDR


Actually there was a "ho option". The way head ons worked in AW was you were given a 10% chance of a hit. Each ho shot was checked with a randomizer and if you didn't get the 10%...you didn't get a hit. Now, once BB became the lead developer, planes with centerline guns got a 'bonus' since there was no convergence. Ever notice the number of 38 drivers that seemed to live by the head on? :)

SCDR, you might try barrel rolling out of the next head on you are in. I take head on hits in less than 1% of my engagements and usually end up in a surperior position because I don't take the shot. :D

BTW, I never cared much for buff driving either (watching paint dry is more exciting), however I did attack plenty of them and everything you see here was there also (as far as tactics go)...without spin fighting bombers.
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« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2005, 12:12:16 PM »
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Originally posted by Vad
You are wrong, they do. I read, for example.

And this is one of the main reason why I fly La-7 almost exclusively, never asked for help and don't want to enter any squad.


Doesn't sound like a very enjoyable way to spen your time in AH.  The la7 so outclasses almost everything except perk rides (and most of them too) in the low alt hordefest that is the MA that frankly there is no challenge whatsoever in flying it.  Maybe if you go into a 5 or more on 1 and don't run then its a challenge, but even then you could just run away and never give those 5 guys a chance at ya.  It takes about as much skill as it would to take an F16 up against an f86 or mig15... none.

Try different rides, you'll become much better and appreciate the game and other pilots more.
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« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2005, 12:58:46 PM »
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Doesn't sound like a very enjoyable way to spen your time in AH.  The la7 so outclasses almost everything except perk rides (and most of them too) in the low alt hordefest that is the MA that frankly there is no challenge whatsoever in flying it.  Maybe if you go into a 5 or more on 1 and don't run then its a challenge, but even then you could just run away and never give those 5 guys a chance at ya.  It takes about as much skill as it would to take an F16 up against an f86 or mig15... none.

Try different rides, you'll become much better and appreciate the game and other pilots more.
Quite right, Stang. :aok You once said we would agree more than disagree about gameplay...

And now you can see the problem. The reason the LA7 is so often chosen is because it provides no challenge. Seems some folks don't want any form of challenge. Do I want to share an arena with folks like that? Erm...
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« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2005, 01:00:19 PM »
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I meant the DA because the TA is full newbs and you wont learn anything that way.



Wotan, come on into the TA. I think you'll find it humbling when you fight a few of us in there. Not saying I personally can beat you(although theres a few guys that I'd put my money on in there), but I bet I'll give you a good run for your money. Sorry if this comes off like an attack on you, it's not. I just think this is a big misconception about the TA. All the older guys think the TA is for newbies when there are actually a lot of good pilots in there who are training the newbies and will train anyone, including vets. Some of these pilots are in there day in and day out. I garantee you go to the TA and find the right guys your fighting skills will soar!
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« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2005, 01:50:35 PM »
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Doesn't sound like a very enjoyable way to spen your time in AH.  


Not enjoyable for whom? For you - may be. For me it is ok so far.

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Try different rides, you'll become much better and appreciate the game and other pilots more.


I appreciate this game very much. It is not me who whine about crowds of La-7, score potatos, land grabbing, low and dive bombers, hordes and 88's acks.  It is not me who complain about vulche and cherripicking on ch200. One thing I hated in this game was ENY limiter but it is not the problem for me anymore because rooks never have numbers these days.
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« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2005, 02:53:10 PM »
Quit nockin the lala. its the only plane that gives me a chance to protect a field solo from the horde. Flying at 8-12k in a pack waiting for dummies to bring the fight up from the deck so the cherrypickin can begin is no better or worse. I love defending fields personaly and i choose the best plane for the job. :) when we have enuff squaddies for a good ftr mission i will gladly jump in another "skill" plane. pilot makes the ride dweeby not the plane, unfortunately the la is rarely used to its abilities despite overmatching most planes in the arena..i find that odd.
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2005, 03:28:31 PM »
Here is how you can make yourself feel good about who you are.

Choice #1.

Become a good flight sim pilot and take on anyone in any plane under any conditions (even the LA7s :rolleyes: ).  Win or lose does not matter because you know you gave all you had and made it very hard for the other guy to win, if he did.

Choice #2.

Get some skills.  Become average enough to survive at the edge of a furball when friendlies can bail you out, or you can safelly chery pick, or fly at 20K and engage when the bud guy is outnumbered and lower.  That will make you feel average.  However, there is a trick.  If you do all that in a lesser plane, then you feel like a really good pilot landing 4 kills in a p40 or MOSS, or what ever.  You will get a ton of WTFGs and after you land your HOs and vulches.  But that will just make you feel good.  Here is where the second trick comes in.  Come to the BBBS and put down the other players and the planes they fly, while talking about the skills it takes to fly the plane you use.  
Now you feel good, and the comunity learns about how good you are.  You are now a seasoned vet and somehow, your opinion counts more than the guy that flies the SpitV, NIK, or LA7.  

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Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2005, 03:35:09 PM »
ROFL Dedalos! :lol:aok

Chicago NW? I lived in Mt. Prospect...
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« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2005, 03:50:53 PM »
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Actually I think the CT is far far worse than the MA ever has been. Plenty of newer sticks (good ones) have ventured into the CT to get gangbanged by the little cliques. Now, 18 months ago the CT was the place to be...but as some of the "squads" migrated to the CT from the MA they brought their garbage with them.

Keep checking back in, Humble, we're experiencing a resurgence of sorts.  The addition of the 38G has helped the numbers some, as well as creating a better balance in mid-war plane sets.  Lots of old faces have returned.  And while no one can guarantee that you won't get ganged, it certainly doesn't compare with what I've seen on the occasions I've stuck my head into the MA (where I often have trouble just getting airborne).

- oldman (Oboe wants me there so that all visitors are guaranteed at least one kill; we find it keeps them coming back.)
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« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2005, 04:00:46 PM »
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ROFL Dedalos! :lol:aok

Chicago NW? I lived in Mt. Prospect...


Used to live in Arlington Heights.  Now moved to Crystal Lake
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Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2005, 04:26:55 PM »
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Keep checking back in, Humble, we're experiencing a resurgence of sorts.  The addition of the 38G has helped the numbers some, as well as creating a better balance in mid-war plane sets.  Lots of old faces have returned.  And while no one can guarantee that you won't get ganged, it certainly doesn't compare with what I've seen on the occasions I've stuck my head into the MA (where I often have trouble just getting airborne).

- oldman (Oboe wants me there so that all visitors are guaranteed at least one kill; we find it keeps them coming back.)


I've been looking for any type of numbers....been real quiet but I'll pop in if it's over 10-12....

I really dont have any issue getting ganged....but if you have 8-10 guys on a side and 8 of em (on each side) are milkrunning...then the 1 or 2 guys facing the "mini-horde" are relying on them to show some common sense. The last 3 times I logged on to CT I ended up 7-10 on 1....

Not a problem if 3-4 guys engage and the others wait or go on....but why bother if you cant get some chance to play. Hopefully it'll go back somewhat to how it was....I'll pop in and check it back out...
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« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2005, 04:56:01 PM »
Last night was the last straw, I had an enema with alt run to a buff for protection. If he hadn't of turned so hard, dove, and tried to hover within its guns and actually used his advantage he would of had a fighting chance.

Afterwards, asking the nameless person (I didn't mention any names then or now) what the heck he was thinking he proceeded to flame me.

I'm done with channel 200, I have friends on the Rooks and the Bish but dealing with this BS is giving me an ulcer.
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« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2005, 05:00:26 PM »
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Last night was the last straw, I had an enema with alt run to a buff for protection. If he hadn't of turned so hard, dove, and tried to hover within its guns and actually used his advantage he would of had a fighting chance.

Afterwards, asking the nameless person (I didn't mention any names then or now) what the heck he was thinking he proceeded to flame me.

I'm done with channel 200, I have friends on the Rooks and the Bish but dealing with this BS is giving me an ulcer.


Deli...

Grab a roll of Tums and move on. :)
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« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2005, 07:00:02 PM »
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I had an enema
I hope that made you feel better, and that you soon have your regularity back under control. :D:aok
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« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2005, 08:48:14 PM »
Judging by the BS that spews from you in the Officers Club, you definitely don't have that problem. :D  :aok

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I hope that made you feel better, and that you soon have your regularity back under control. :D:aok
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