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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2005, 01:14:05 AM »
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According to the US DoE:
"In 2001, the United States had a per capita energy consumption of 341.8 million Btu, greater than 5.2 times the world's per capita energy consumption and slightly over...


When one realizes that 110 countries, including China and India have a per capita GDP of less that $5000, and much of the population of the earth use energy for cooking only, much of that with biomass derived fuel, the above fact is not surprising.    

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The US is about 5% of the world's population: it currently contributes 24% of the CO2.


As the USA produces about 22% of the world economy (as measured by GDP) 24% of the CO2 would seem to be expected.
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2005, 06:52:04 AM »
Look the answer is right there in front of us. It's been there all along but no one wants to say it.

Remove the tax break for the top 1% of Americans and it will solve all of our problems.













sorry that seems to be the answer to everything now a days.
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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2005, 07:19:05 AM »
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I don't particularly defend Kyoto - I'm of the opinion that Kyoto is far too limited. Its one redeeming feature is that it is at least a start.

And let's not forget if China were as "clean" and developed as the US, it would be a much much worse polluter than it is at the moment.

According to the US DoE:
"In 2001, the United States had a per capita energy consumption of 341.8 million Btu, greater than 5.2 times the world's per capita energy consumption and slightly over 11 times China's per capita consumption. Per capita carbon emissions are similar to energy consumption patterns, with the United States emitting 5.5 metric tons of carbon per person, the world on average 1.1 metric tons, and China 0.6 metric tons of carbon per person."
 
At present China produces less CO2 than the US, despite having four times the population.

All things being equal it should contribute 20% of the world's pollution, what with being about 20% of the population. It currently contributes 13% CO2. The US is about 5% of the world's population: it currently contributes 24% of the CO2.

Does that mean that China should strive to be as clean as the US, and aim to produce 100% of the CO2?


2001?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3996855.stm

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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2005, 07:28:28 AM »
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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2005, 09:18:09 AM »
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Look the answer is right there in front of us. It's been there all along but no one wants to say it.

Remove the tax break for the top 1% of Americans and it will solve all of our problems.

sorry that seems to be the answer to everything now a days.



I know you are being sarcastic but it is true that removing that tax break would be a very big help...
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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2005, 09:28:34 AM »
Bustr when your so called fuel efficient catalytic converter tin box is sitting for hours in traffic going nowhere burning fuel producing Co2, my motorcycle will have zipped past got me to my destination on time in half the time and as the engine will have been running for far less time will have consumed half the fuel you have. ( these are not exact figures but you get the point!)

By all means sit in your tin box pumping out toxins but just remember next time you get pissed off at the traffic jam you are stuck in you could be having far more fun on a bike and doing your bit to save the planet!:aok

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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2005, 09:30:20 AM »
Mind you if you keep burying your head in the sand maybe I'll need a jet ski instead! ( sorry personal water craft in US )

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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2005, 09:39:35 AM »
Bikes are great in the rain and snow too. Perfect for the family vacation, too, come to think of it.
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2005, 09:52:24 AM »
Yes use a car when you have too but families with six cars on the drive like I've seen over here give me a break. Perhaps we should have a rule that any family can only own two cars if they live in the same household. And one must be under a litre in engine size ( sorry 1000cc )

Bikes are still more fun and useable for many situations. If you want to take the family get a sidecar like my mate has done.

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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2005, 10:40:58 AM »
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Perhaps we should have a rule that any family can only own two cars if they live in the same household. And one must be under a litre in engine size ( sorry 1000cc )


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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2005, 11:41:20 AM »
The height of arrogance....mankind can manipulate and control nature itself.

Some of you are just plain entertaining.

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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2005, 11:43:56 AM »
Watch it, Rude. I'll point the freeze ray at YOUR office and drive up your energy costs.

Say you're sorry. Now.
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2005, 11:49:39 AM »
According to the doom mongers it's too late anyway. So we all might as well enjoy ourselves and burn carbon. :cool:

On the other hand has anyone else noticed lately a spate of newpaper articles and TV programmes more or less on the same theme as the article on the Independant's website. Basically on the theme that it may already 'be too late' , 'We have to do something now' etc etc.  To me that sounds like a concerted campaign of press briefing by somebody or other with an agenda.

Many years ago just when this scare campaign was starting I stopped believing that the current warming is caused to any large degree by us humans.  That in my opinion is arrogance of the worst kind.  Far too many people seem to believe that  we puny humans control the weather.  I would have thought the recent Tsunami would have put paid to that sort of arrogance.
Yes we are in a warm phase. That's self evident.  But we are nowhere near the warm phase that saw Vikings settle in Greenland 10,000 years ago or as someone pointed out it's still not warm enough to grow grapes in Scotland just like they did in the middle ages.  

The whole global warming issue is riddled with inconsistencies and half truths, muddied with emotion and speculation.  It's almost like a religion. If you question the so called  facts, you are treated like as if you are committing blasphemy.

Sure reducing pollution is a good thing but the hysteria being whipped up is crazy.

Frankly those of you who stil believe in man made global warming have to ask yourselves. How do you really know?  You really have to question everything you are told.  A lot of people simply don't  and will believe any old crap they're fed dressed up as science.

I believe there will be  a backlash against this global warming theory relatively soon and our descendants will laugh at our fears the way we laugh at our ancestors fears.

Meanwhile enjoy this warm period because it won't last and in a few years time it will get colder again.  Guess who'll  take the credit for that?

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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2005, 11:49:59 AM »
Your freeze ray does not concern me Toad....I have friends in Europe that will come to my aide....uhhh....well....I mean.....they might....uhhh....well, nevermind.

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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2005, 11:59:30 AM »
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Your freeze ray does not concern me Toad....I have friends in Europe that will come to my aide....uhhh....well....I mean.....they might....uhhh....well, nevermind.


You have friends?!?!?!?! You been into the cooking sherry again huh Rude.
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