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Offline beet1e

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« on: February 08, 2005, 05:01:45 PM »
A certain gentleman who was born the same year as me made a study of his countrymen and the way they defended themselves, their family and their property came to the conclusion that they were driven by fear. I hadn’t thought of it like that, but I’m wondering that he might possibly be right.

After 911 – on 912 – thousands of people cancelled their plans to travel by air. Such was the paranoia which swept certain parts of the world.

However, not everyone followed this lead. A friend of mine living in the US state of Arkansas didn’t. He flew as planned on 915. There was only one other passenger on the plane. So lightly loaded was this plane that instead of using the PA system for the safety announcement, the flight attendant walked down the cabin to where my friend and the only other passenger were sitting, and did the safety demo right there.

Another guy who refused to be scared out of the air was my Californian friend who lives near Oxnard, and who I have referred to in the past as CPP – Californian Pistol Packer – but a very reluctant one. (it’s never been out of the box in 15 years) He felt that the period immediately after an air outrage was the best time to look for a good deal on flights, so that’s what he did.

And there’s me. My first commercial flight after 911 was in 12/2001. I didn’t know what to expect, so I said to my family that if I got killed in an outrage, they were to carry on as normal – I would have died doing what I wanted to do. I refuse to be scared out of the air by terrorists, and I refuse to cancel the rest of my life. To allow yourself to be scared out of the air is a victory for international terrorists – it’s what they want.

So what it that I have in common with the other two? Well, forget about the rusting hulk under CPP’s bed. The three of us have the same attitude towards personal safety, but when we fly we don’t have so much as a butter knife for protection because the FAA mandated “No sharp objects”…. OK..

So who do we have on the other side of the fence? I have seen posts on this board by guys who have not flown commercially in a decade or more, and who will no longer consider it in the aftermath of 911. These are also the guys who can only feel safe carrying certain hardware for defence. Could it be that their preferred means of defence cannot be taken into an aircraft cabin? Awwww, shame. Or is it that they are driven by FEAR? The fear of another 911?

What’s even more strange is the way that some of these guys are so fearful of what might happen to the aircraft itself, they won’t fly on a commercial airliner unless it’s a Boeing. “If it’s not Boeing, I’m not going” is their somewhat paranoid refrain. Has there been a disproportionate number of Airbus tragedies? I don’t think so… But can you imagine it – turning up at the airport, and then turning around to go home because there’s been a change of plane, and it’s no longer a Boeing? LOL :lol

My friends and me – we’ll fly on anything within reason. We just don’t have that sense of paranoia that something bad is about to happen. Of course, that doesn’t mean it won’t – just that maybe we have a good sense of proportion.

So to those who fly. We all know that in this uncertain age it’s not without risk. And to those who won’t, or who returned home from the airport when they found out it wasn’t going to be a Boeing, and spent the rest of the day quivering under their bunks hugging their metal idol.

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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2005, 05:07:25 PM »
i flew to the AH con a month after 9/11 and many times since... my reasoning is that now the airports are so locked up i really doubt someone would try something there again. plus at this point you're suicidal if you try to hijack a plane because you'd probably get beaten to death by the passengers.

other then getting ridiculously searched and detained by southwest, there were no other problems
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2005, 05:12:16 PM »
The only thing that keeps me from flying more is money.

Currently flying aerobatics and vintage airplanes... and I plan to live past 100 years and die in my sleep.

There's that.

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2005, 05:25:46 PM »
Commercially, I fly when I have to do so. Short-haul legs I used to fly I usually drive now because it is faster than flying. Additionally, the leather power seats in my vehicle are infinitely more comfortable than airliner seats.

Still, if I can't drive it faster than I can fly it, I'll fly. I have no fear.

As for Boeing v Airbus, anyone with an ounce of computer literacy can see what the scheduled aircraft is long before the flight. I do pick Boeing aircraft as a first choice. But if I had no choice, I'd fly Airbus. It isn't nationalism, it's 25+ years of personal experience with Boeing engineering and reliability.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2005, 05:29:50 PM »
I'm not flying because I'm afraid of computer databases. My father was stationed in Morroco, so I was born there even though I'm an american citizen. I'm worried about being flagged for being born in a country of origion for known terrorists. Ted Kennedy got on one of the no-fly lists and kept being detained from flying. He had to personally call homeland security and use his political weight to get off the list in whatever datatbase flagged him.

His comment when interviewd was wonderment at what the littel guy would do who didn't have his clout. I had trouble a few years back getting a replacement Social Security card when they pulled me up on the screen and it said place of birth, Morroco. I'm just not interested in some TSA graduet of our public multicultural educational system telling me to bend over one more time because I didn't smile enough on the first cavety search.........

By the way beet1e, calling a man/men out has more coup to it if you do it in person face to face. I ride through the San Francisco bay subway tunnel twice each day to work. It's 6 miles long under the bay, and an accepted terroist target.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2005, 05:33:07 PM »
I've flown commercially once since 9/11. I didn't cut back at all because of anything. I just didn't have a need to fly other than in my own bird. Now I no longer have the plane and I have had one flight. No big deal, didn't feel the need for a weapon, I was flying to go get my weapons and bring them to a storage location.  I didn't even spend any time hugging or fondling my weapons. I just moved the vault into the son in laws garage and went on about my travels. Gee beetle, I'm sure glad you told me what I should have been doing. :rolleyes:  I'd have never known I wasn't living up to your misconceptions.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2005, 06:09:29 PM »
I actually had a flight scheduled for the afternoon of 9/11, was going to Atlanta from LA.  I didn't fly again until a month or two later, and I actually lost sleep over the issue.  It wasn't that I was afraid of terrorists, it's just that I had constructed such an elaborate replay in my mind of the  last seconds of each of the lost flights and fixated on it so thoroughly, that I was afraid of crashing in a general sense, not the specific 'terrorism' sense.

I don't know if that makes sense, but the vividness of the video in my head was such that I probably spent more time then ever before concentrating on the danger.

I had to sit myself down and impress the numbers back into my head.  "I'm more likely to die while driving to the airport."  I repeated that to myself a bunch of times.

My anxiety peaked as I walked down the jetway.  As I boarded the plane, I paused for a moment at the threshold and touched the outside skin of the plane for good luck (something I've always done, silly, but everyone has routines in life).  

As I sat down, I began to relax and pulled out a book.  By the time the plane rotated, I had forgotten why I was so worried.

For the next few flights, I was still a bit nervous ahead of time.  It didn't help that we had just had our first child and I was convinced that my dying would leave my wife and kid in poverty, but eventually it faded out.

Nowadays, I fly commercially every week or two and it's all butter.  Taking the flying lessons has done wonders for my confidence in the air too.  There's a difference between "knowing" (in the textbook sense) how flight works and Knowing (in the hands on sense) how it works.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2005, 06:13:41 PM »
Not scared at all.

I ride a motorcycle which is statisticaly way way more dangerous and I'm not scard of that either!

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2005, 06:17:45 PM »
I have LOTS and LOTS of guns, and a carry permit, and one in my pocket right now.

I enjoy flying in small planes, but detest flying in commercial aircraft since I am large and the seat is small.  And the next seat is usually filled by somebody like me, which surprises me since it MUST affect the weight and balance equations.  I usually fly commercial about once a month.

Beet1e, are you afraid of guns?



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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2005, 06:22:37 PM »
I flew on a United DC-10 the day after one crashed at Souix City. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Granted, that was a bit different than 9/12.
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2005, 06:33:24 PM »
Interesting aside on the 'small seat' thing.  I fly all the time, but without exception it's been in aisle seats for the past few years until last friday.  I checked in late and got stuck in a middle seat on a 737, between two people.

I'm a big guy, so I wasn't enthusiastic about it because of my last experience years ago, but I sat down.  I was surprised to find myself comfortable.  It wasn't an exit row, it wasn't an extended legroom plane, and it wasn't first class, but I was comfortable.  I asked myself "What's changed?" and realized that the last time I had flown in that seat, I was 330lbs, but now I'm a wafer thin 255 (and falling).

Coach now feels like first class USED to.  So, if you want to enjoy flying more, gain a couple hundred pounds, fly a bunch, then lose it.  You'll save THOUSANDS!  :D
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2005, 06:39:17 PM »
Yeah, this was about 3 years too late.

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2005, 07:14:35 PM »
rshubert Can we stop the gun fetish on this board!? Check the number of threads where NRA lovers wax lyrical about their bloody guns. ITS BOREING NOW!

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2005, 08:17:42 PM »
I thought all men waxed their guns....lyricaly....so as to impress other men with their prowess....:) So as to share the nuances of interacting with the fairer sex. Ladies..grown women worth bringing flowers and diamonds to..........:D

In my case I like shooting my pistols, side arms, National Match M1A1 Rifle and so forth described in proper nomenclature. Whats the point of sharing an enjoyable hobby with anyone who can't get the terms correct? Lets see...waxing guns lyricaly and shooting rifles and side arms.

I see why you get ignored zulu..you dont communicate the concepts of these activites clearly. Ok guys lets open our NRA bible to page 666, 6th chapter, 6th paragraph, 6th line and repeat the mantra on rifle fetishes.......:D

This is my rifle, this is my gun, one is for shooting, one is for ...I forget whats the other one for guys>>>>>??????????
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2005, 08:25:23 PM »
I avoid flying only because security is a such a large pain the ass. ;)
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