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Offline john9001

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2005, 11:41:12 AM »
guns are not toys zulu, but you would not know that, you live in nannyland.

side note: florida law:

if you use a gun in a crime=10 years

if you shoot the gun during a crime=20 years

if you hit someone when you shoot the gun during a crime=25 to life , depending on how good a shot you are.
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2005, 11:44:39 AM »
No government voluntarily disarms. In america the people are the government.

Liberty is higher on americans' hiearchy of needs than physical safety. If you don't get it, at least try to get over it.
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Offline Zulu7

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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2005, 11:49:30 AM »
Sadly we are nannied as you put it.

Infact I think we are overly regulated but thats true in nearly all developed countries I think not least in yours.  

We have the Litiginous ( that how you spell it? ) I'll sue you culture imported from your good selves to thank for that though!

The Lawyers get fatter and fatter whilst our regulations and rules grow and grow.

But I still would not have your gun laws for love nor money. I quite like not having to worry about getting blown away for saying the wrong thing or being in the wrong place.

Oh and as for the knives thing I can run from a knife I can't run faster than a bullet so that argument, is I am afraid, a bit spurious.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2005, 01:16:12 PM »
Litigious.  

Vulcan, what makes me mad is not the fact that the guns were said to be "Improperly stored," but the thought of who decides what "Properly stored," is.  Those policemen took away those guns, not because they were "Improperly stored," but because they could.
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2005, 01:51:03 PM »
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...I quite like not having to worry about getting blown away for saying the wrong thing or being in the wrong place...


I have been in the wrong places and said the wrong things and never once have I seen a gun pulled.

I think you watch  too much TV.
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2005, 03:23:07 PM »
Furious,

Don't tell him he has a misconception. He may come over here instead. It's better to have him think it's not safe here so he'll stay where he is.
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2005, 03:29:10 PM »
If private gun ownership was truly the problem that the anti-gun freaks would like folks to believe that it is then guns would be long gone already.

Making something illegal does nothing to keep criminals from doing it....they are criminals (duh).

If the judicial system would enforce the laws and associated penalties crime would drop dramatically......recidivism accounts for over 60 percent of crimes committed.

Rehabilitation........"They ain't no sucha thing."

Most police support the ENTIRE constitution.....that would include both the first and second ammendments (personal experience).  "Police" in this sense does not include political lackeys....(some division heads....aka chiefs etc.).

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Offline Zulu7

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2005, 05:28:24 PM »
Maverick I've been over there already 3 times. Lived there for 6 months. Quite safe I know. Still think your govt is crazy and Guns are for armies not private citizens.
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2005, 05:32:41 PM »
Zulu, let me bounce a Hypothetical question off of you.




Say one day your government popped out saying that it was becoming an extreme right wing white christian organization that will kill all other ethnicities and religions.  While that idea is wild, what would you do about it?
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2005, 05:40:11 PM »
The day that someone representing MY government enters MY home to ask if MY guns are "necessarily waranted" is the day that they suddenly become absolutely necessary and waranted.
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Offline Zulu7

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2005, 05:45:47 PM »
Lazer I would like to believe I would do everything I could to stand up for what I belive in and yes if there was a civil war I would fight for what I believed in.

However reality is that I love my family wife to be etc and if that choice endangered them I would have a very hard decision to make. probably I would do what it took to keep them safe but I would not take pleasure in it or believe in it. I'm sure many Germans of our forefathers generation would understand this only too well.

But that has nothing to do with guns or gun law because that is an extreme situation warranting extreme responses. Currently those conditions do not exist so what is the justifiocation for an armed society please I just don't seee one.
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2005, 06:01:04 PM »
Zulu,

We tend to believe that what happened in Germany wouldn't (shouldn't) happen in the US because we value freedom more than we value our life.

Our founding fathers valued a nation of free individuals more than they valued even the lives of their families.

That's a hard concept to grasp, even for many Americans.

Also, society is not armed. Free citizens have a right to be armed. The justification for this is academic until faced with a government that seeks to disarm it's citizens. Under such a circumstance, the justification becomes obvious.
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2005, 06:01:07 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2005, 07:39:27 PM »
How would you fight though?
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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2005, 07:53:25 PM »
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Lazer I would like to believe I would do everything I could to stand up for what I belive in and yes if there was a civil war I would fight for what I believed in.

However reality is that I love my family wife to be etc and if that choice endangered them I would have a very hard decision to make. probably I would do what it took to keep them safe but I would not take pleasure in it or believe in it. I'm sure many Germans of our forefathers generation would understand this only too well.

But that has nothing to do with guns or gun law because that is an extreme situation warranting extreme responses. Currently those conditions do not exist so what is the justifiocation for an armed society please I just don't seee one.


Zulu a number of years ago I worked with a young man who felt much the way you do. He got married and quickly a baby girl. The day after he first held her, he asked me how to join the NRA and eventualy gained a conceled carry permit. I asked him what changed. He said untill he held his infant daughter for the first time, he never understood how much there was to care about and to loose to those who absolutly don't care about his wife's or his new daughter's life.

Life is a lottery. No, most of us will never see a fist fight in public let alone a violent crime in progress. But one figure stands out in all countries. Depending on the country you live in, one to twelve percent of the population are active criminals who do not care about your life. Human evil and and weak willed people are the norm and will not go away in our life time.

I will not be a victom, be preyed upon or assaulted by another human being, nor will I allow such to happen to my loved ones and freinds. I am old enough to have had too much experience with those life styles. You cannot predict the future, but when these things happen to a person, you cannot stuff their life back into them. It happens so fast you think it is not real. Then they are gone forever. Good intentions and clean living don't matter to evil people.
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