Who decides? THEY do!

[Zulu7]

You cannot predict the future, but when these things happen to a person, you cannot stuff their life back into them. It happens so fast you think it is not real. Then they are gone forever. Good intentions and clean living don't matter to evil people.

Yep this is true but I still don't feel the need to carry a gun and I'm glad to be living in a country that doesn't allow it! For what its worth I feel a bit safer knowing the "evil doer" is statisticaly unlikely to be carrying one also.

[bustr]

Zulu,

I don't carry a gun either. I do have such at night since I'm not as young as I once was. Only one other human being is supposed to be in my home. My girlfreind of 8 years. When I am in my home, if there is or are persons here who arn't her, I choose to be judged by 12 peers rather than make the mistake of hesitance. In the post mortum of any violent encounter hesitence in the face of the split second decision is the leading factor in the death of either combatant.

I do not beleive you or many of our BB members have ever been there nor do I wish it upon them. But it happens faster than you can formulate a whitty responce. And then your freind or loved one is gone. I cannot and will not advocate to others against human nature. We don't want to die, and we generaly wish it would pass us by never showing up in our lives. But I want you to think, are you betting the lottery wheel will always fall on the odds you want, or are you demanding that another human being lay his or her life down for yours if it does? Is your life more important than the policeman's life who you are ultimatly expecting to protect you?

That kinda violates our first pact with the All Mighty. To take care of and protect the life you are given as a reflection of mastering and honoring living life to the absolute best of your personal ability. And so to the extention of that protecting the lives of those whom you love and cherish. Evil will and does seek to take that from yourself and your loved ones.

So, is your life more important to you than a policemans,  a soldier, your wife's when you have the human ability to act in your own service and your wifes?

Relying on the government for your personal saftey is asking another person to lay down their life for you because you won't do it for yourself. This is not about carrying a gun. This is about freedom as americans view it. Do you value freedom or the imagery of security where you accept anothers death as the price of your personal security and the restrictions that ultimately grow with it?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Zulu7
Sadly we are nannied as you put it.

But I still would not have your gun laws for love nor money. I quite like not having to worry about getting blown away for saying the wrong thing or being in the wrong place.
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but your missing the point.
Gun laws dont stop gun use in crimes.
they just prevent people from "legally" owning them.
And Criminals dont care abotu the legality of gun laws to begin with or they wouldnt use them in crimes anyway.

Gun laws dont stop criminals form blowing people away.
they only stop people the very large majority of which would never use them in a criminal act or to shoot anyone to begin with

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Zulu7
Yep this is true but I still don't feel the need to carry a gun and I'm glad to be living in a country that doesn't allow it! For what its worth I feel a bit safer knowing the "evil doer" is statisticaly unlikely to be carrying one also.

Lets see the numbers

[WMLute]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
but your missing the point.
Gun laws dont stop gun use in crimes.
they just prevent people from "legally" owning them.
And Criminals dont care abotu the legality of gun laws to begin with or they wouldnt use them in crimes anyway.

Gun laws dont stop criminals form blowing people away.
they only stop people the very large majority of which would never use them in a criminal act or to shoot anyone to begin with

Zulu re-read the above.

Excellent point.

If you make guns illegal, that will only harm the law abiding citizen.  The criminals are probably 100% in FAVOR of gun controll for the avg. citizen.  It means they can commit their crimes w/o the fear of the guy they are robbing being able to fight back.

[Zulu7]

Ask someone else for the numbers but face facts we don't have guns in vast quantities in society like you guys do.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Zulu7
Ask someone else for the numbers but face facts we don't have guns in vast quantities in society like you guys do.

That's just a result of the general uprising in the late 1700's that "ya'll" had to deal with.

A few citizens with guns can be an aggravating thing. ie: Iraq

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Zulu7
Ask someone else for the numbers but face facts we don't have guns in vast quantities in society like you guys do.

Your making an outright specific claim of

Originally posted by Zulu7
Yep this is true but I still don't feel the need to carry a gun and I'm glad to be living in a country that doesn't allow it! For what its worth I feel a bit safer knowing the "evil doer" is statisticaly unlikely to be carrying one also.
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Im asking you to back that up with data.
If you cant back your claims up  you shouldnt be making them.

Or are we supposed to buy into it "because you say so"?

[Shuckins]

The number of unarmed civilians killed by their own governments, or with their tacit approval, during the 20th century is absolutely staggering.

The problems posed for the German military by the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, which involved a mere handful of lightly armed Jews, should be a lesson for those who doubt the necessity of an armed civilian population.

[lasersailor184]

Exactly.




But zulu, you still haven't answered my question.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Litigious.  

Vulcan, what makes me mad is not the fact that the guns were said to be "Improperly stored," but the thought of who decides what "Properly stored," is.  Those policemen took away those guns, not because they were "Improperly stored," but because they could.

Reread that to yourself, over and over. Because no matter how many times I read it still does make sense. Who else decides? If not law-enforcements then who? I can think of no-one less qualified than the Police.

And what do you mean "not because they were improperly stored". What kind of idiotic statement is that? Are you implying that the Australian Police randomly stormed 7% of gun owners... no wait its 2.33 because each has an average on 3 weapons... randomly stormed 2.33% of Australian gun owners homes and confiscated their weapons just for the hell of it?

Your honour, I present a gun-nut

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Samiam
The day that someone representing MY government enters MY home to ask if MY guns are "necessarily waranted" is the day that they suddenly become absolutely necessary and waranted.

And where does it stop?

How are those armour-piercing cop killer bullets going?

Or maybe you need grenades?

Hell maybe your pissed off next door neighbour needs to up the stakes with an RPG.

I'm quite happy for my government to stop fruitcakes like you arming themselves to the teeth for no apparent reason. There has never been a day in my life where I've had to concern myself with the thought of being shot, I like it that way, and I'll be happy for my kids to live that way.

You know, my wife was chatting with some relatives who moved to the USA a few years ago, they're bugging out, heading home, had enough of the place because its to dangerous and violent. Heres the punchline... they came from Cambodia!

[Elfie]

Oh and as for the knives thing I can run from a knife I can't run faster than a bullet so that argument, is I am afraid, a bit spurious.

You may or may not be able to out run the guy with the knife though, and thats FAR more important than being able to outrun the knife

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Vulcan
And where does it stop?

How are those armour-piercing cop killer bullets going?

Or maybe you need grenades?

Hell maybe your pissed off next door neighbour needs to up the stakes with an RPG.

I'm quite happy for my government to stop fruitcakes like you arming themselves to the teeth for no apparent reason. There has never been a day in my life where I've had to concern myself with the thought of being shot, I like it that way, and I'll be happy for my kids to live that way.

You know, my wife was chatting with some relatives who moved to the USA a few years ago, they're bugging out, heading home, had enough of the place because its to dangerous and violent. Heres the punchline... they came from Cambodia!

First off, the bullets that can pierce kevlar vests have been illegal for your average Joe to purchase almost from the beginning. I also dont know of any police officers that have been killed with them.

You seem to think that all of us Americans walk around every day witness to all sorts of random violence including gunfights. In my 42 years of existence here in America I have yet to witness a violent crime. Although I have been victimized by burglars twice while away from my home.

The criminals here have guns, lots of them. It's to late to stop them from getting them. If we disarm our law abiding citizens we will be at the mercy of criminals, I for one do not want that.

[Wolfala]

So....would anyone have a problem going deer hunting with a single shot 20mm?