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Offline Raider179

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« on: February 11, 2005, 12:54:40 PM »
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Offline Russian

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2005, 01:08:44 PM »
Did I understand this correctly? Israel provoked Syrian AF by buzzing Latakia and then happily engaged and destroyed two Mig29s. Something seems way off here…

If this is true and Syria acquires S-300PMU2, no more buzzing passes for F16, or in fact anything else that fly in 200km range, including airlines.
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Offline Raider179

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2005, 01:11:03 PM »
Thats the way I read it too.
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Offline LLv34 Jarsci

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2005, 01:59:35 PM »
Well, way I see it nowadays : Israeli is aggressor with better hardware and US blessing. They pretty much do anything they want and if things get ugly they draw WW2 holocaust card and  wave it to everyone...

In my book they are doing the same on those *******s over the area..

About time someone would give back with SIMILAR and "fair(..???!!!)"  methods  , meaning splashing F16 or two with AA missiles.. not bombing innocents!


edit:hmmm rag and head censored when connected...
« Last Edit: February 11, 2005, 02:02:18 PM by LLv34 Jarsci »
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 02:27:44 PM »
its not the plane, its the pilot and the training, discipline and aggresiveness of said pilot that will defeat the opponent.

The latest and greatest hardware is worthless if the guy flying it is a dork.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2005, 02:32:08 PM »
mig 29's are all show and no go.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2005, 03:14:23 PM »
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Originally posted by LLv34 Jarsci
Well, way I see it nowadays : Israeli is aggressor with better hardware and US blessing. They pretty much do anything they want and if things get ugly they draw WW2 holocaust card and  wave it to everyone...

In my book they are doing the same on those *******s over the area..

About time someone would give back with SIMILAR and "fair(..???!!!)"  methods  , meaning splashing F16 or two with AA missiles.. not bombing innocents!


edit:hmmm rag and head censored when connected...


The lack of historical understanding and the complete lack of any realization of the situation Israel is faced with day to day in this response is purely astonishing.  Or is it...
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2005, 03:15:42 PM »
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its not the plane, its the pilot and the training, discipline and aggresiveness of said pilot that will defeat the opponent.

The latest and greatest hardware is worthless if the guy flying it is a dork.


Sounds like they have something in common with the average La7 pilot in the MA

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2005, 03:29:29 PM »
F-16 superior to Mig-29s?  Yeah right!  Without a helmet mounted sight, the Mig-29 has a small to modest advantage.  With a helmet mounted sight, the Mig-29 has a huge advantage.

Someone dig up some of the training reports of USAF F-16s vs Luftwaffe Mig-29s.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2005, 03:48:55 PM »
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F-16 superior to Mig-29s?  Yeah right!  Without a helmet mounted sight, the Mig-29 has a small to modest advantage.  With a helmet mounted sight, the Mig-29 has a huge advantage.

Someone dig up some of the training reports of USAF F-16s vs Luftwaffe Mig-29s.


we are not talking training here, we talking real life shoot em down.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2005, 05:05:41 PM »
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Originally posted by LLv34 Jarsci
Well, way I see it nowadays : Israeli is aggressor with better hardware and US blessing. They pretty much do anything they want and if things get ugly they draw WW2 holocaust card and  wave it to everyone...

 



The way I see it is some people are still mad that Hitler didnt finish the job, but they hope the Arabs will.  They quickly decry the holocaust like it never happened and laugh with glee at every suicide bomber.
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Offline lasersailor184

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2005, 05:46:36 PM »
Exactly.


The Israelis aren't attacking the syrians just for the hell of it.  The Syrians are supplying the different terrorist organizations that attack Israel.  They really don't attempt to hide it either.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2005, 05:47:20 PM »
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The way I see it is some people are still mad that Hitler didnt finish the job, but they hope the Arabs will.  They quickly decry the holocaust like it never happened and laugh with glee at every suicide bomber.


Way I see it is that some people happily keep supporting a oppressive regime which is occupying areas which belong to other sovereign countries and which is actively using apartheid.

They're as good as nazies were; they think that other races are inferior and that's it's ok to practise "Lebensraum" policy, occupy areas other people are already living, drive them out from their homes and build settlements to the land which doesn't belong to them.

They surely learned well the lessons nazies gave them 60 years ago.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2005, 05:57:44 PM »
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If this is true and Syria acquires S-300PMU2


If i read correctly, they would like to have S400 :cool:

Im not sure if russia ever exported S400.
Anyway S300 is quite cool toy as well.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2005, 06:02:50 PM by lada »
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2005, 06:00:45 PM »
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Someone dig up some of the training reports of USAF F-16s vs Luftwaffe Mig-29s.


Dunno... but i saw Luftwaffe Migs training with Mirages and F18 in Swiss few years ago... it was quite :cool:
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