Author Topic: f-16s vs Mig 29s (Read 1618 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #45 on:** February 12, 2005, 01:45:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Cobra412
Credited by which side on the F-117 kill? I'm sure I know more about the F-117 that was downed than the majority of the news casts. Before it was even published that one had been downed I knew about the incident from a combat photographer.

Can you please give some reasonable version of that victory?

I never heard that it was shot by MiG-29. Two versions repeated here are S-125 SAM and gunfire from Super-Galeb light attack/trainer...

kevykev56 · « **Reply #46 on:** February 12, 2005, 01:52:14 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Do you have intimate knowledge of the MiG-29's radar and available ECM pods? Radar I'll believe since the Germans have MiG-29s, however I seriously doubt you fully know the capabilities of Russian ECM.

I don't have time (nor a desire) for a drawn out intardnet debate, so I'll leave the discussion as is for now.

without being able to answer your quesitons, I will say I stand 100% behind my previous statements.

kevykev56 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 12, 2005, 02:31:53 PM »

Very believable peice. This was the time just after the US retired the EF-111. And I also do not believe that the EA-6B Prowler was included in this conflict until late at the end. After they realized that they were needed. And believe it or not, terrain masking does work.

Boroda · « **Reply #48 on:** February 12, 2005, 02:57:27 PM »

I remember this tactics described in press and on Serbian websites when terrorist bombings still were going on. T

There were interviews with pilots who went on one-way missions against aggressors, they had one chance to fire climbing before being shot down...

It's funny that Yugoslavs still have some combat planes. NATO again proves to be effective

I really enjoyed reports about Yugoslavian PVO tactics. They used Soviet Vietnam tactics with much higher SAM mobility.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 12, 2005, 03:17:33 PM »

Still it made them suicide dweebs.

Boroda · « **Reply #50 on:** February 12, 2005, 03:52:47 PM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Still it made them suicide dweebs.

Áëàæåííû íèùèå äóõîì, èáî èõ åñòü Öàðñòâî Íåáåñíîå.

Sorry, found the translation:

Matthew 5.3: Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Nilsen · « **Reply #51 on:** February 12, 2005, 04:12:05 PM »

What an interesting debate.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 12, 2005, 04:16:48 PM »

What I can say is only that a combat photographer photographed the F-117 being shot down by a surface to air missile. The weapon that struck the F-117 was not a an air to air missile.

Our capabilities to track certain weapons systems (air to air and surface to air) is classified.

The US military doesn't always fight wars to completely obliterate another countries war fighting capability. Denial of offensive capabilities is more often used. Deny a countries ability to strike back whether it be in the air or the ground is mostly used. That doesn't mean you have to completely destroy the enemies war fighting capability. Area denial is enough to keep the enemy at bay and lessen the chance of friendly casualties.

GS you'd be surprised what we know.

Nilsen · « **Reply #53 on:** February 12, 2005, 04:26:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Cobra412

GS you'd be surprised what we know.

maybe... just maybe you would be suprised about what you _dont_ know.

I dunno, but im very sceptical when someone clamis they know it all and then some... not that i accuse you of that.

All militarys know what they know and not any more than that.

I/we suprised quite a few back in my day anyways

Toad · « **Reply #54 on:** February 12, 2005, 04:50:12 PM »

US air battle support aircraft are awfully good right now. JSTARS, E-3 and RC aircraft have pretty amazing capabilities, especially when operating jointly.

That's all I have to say about that.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 12, 2005, 05:05:13 PM »

Nilsen no one stated we know everything. We only stated there is alot that we we know in regards to other capabilities around the world and we consistantly find out more as time passes.

Nilsen · « **Reply #56 on:** February 12, 2005, 05:20:18 PM »

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Nilsen no one stated we know everything. We only stated there is alot that we we know in regards to other capabilities around the world and we consistantly find out more as time passes.

Yup, and that goes for everyone. I have no doubt tho that the US military and industry has a better clue than most about other nations capabilities.

Im just saying that its dangerous for any nation to think that its pretty much on top of things. There are so many variables and so many things to keep track of.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 12, 2005, 05:46:28 PM »

I completely understand what your saying. Hence my first post to this thread. Nothing will be truly known until this planes meet in a real world situation. Spying continues I'm sure on both sides of the fence and technology just keeps getting better. That's why it's absurd to sit here and debate who's better and who's not.

Nilsen · « **Reply #58 on:** February 12, 2005, 05:51:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Cobra412
I completely understand what your saying. Hence my first post to this thread. Nothing will be truly known until this planes meet in a real world situation. Spying continues I'm sure on both sides of the fence and technology just keeps getting better. That's why it's absurd to sit here and debate who's better and who's not.

Yup. We agree on this

Cobra412 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 12, 2005, 05:55:20 PM »

GS to go any further into how and why they knew what struck the F-117 is pushing it. Simple fact is a combat photographer caught the incident on film just as it happenend.