Would the non "Europe is crap" citizens please sign in ok?

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Originally posted by lazs2

zulu does an adequate job of defending his positions until he gets the urge to type anything.

lazs

Sig material.

[beet1e]

Take no notice of 'em, Zulu! Glad to have you on this board.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
yeah but we don't have to pay $5 a gallon for gasoline or ride sissy little trumpets in the rain and we don't have to say "blimey" or give up our guns or Hot Rods so everything is good.

lazs

I was wondering, Lazs, why you so often bring up the cost of gasoline. So I did a bit of analysis on our respective fuel costs.

I think you said your cars get about 8mpg.  Our gallons are about a quart bigger, so you'd get 10mpg - I get better than 4½ times that but I use diesel. For an imperial gallon we pay $5 - you'd pay about $2. So I'm paying 2½ times as much by volume, but using only 20% as much. So my fuel costs per mile are about half of yours.

And I'd beat you in a race from here to Scotland. I'd be crossing the border, while you would be making your third stop for gas.

[lazs2]

beetle... I defer to your logic on the gas milage thing.  your diesel is indeed more parctical than two of my cars.    My Lincoln Town car gets 24 mpg tho and holds 20 gallons... it gets that milage with one or 6 people in it....

soooo... lets see how many people we can get in our respective vehicles and then do a gas milage/cost per capita thing...

or better... just fill up your car while you are here and save a bunch.

There are a lot of really fun cars here that get in the 10-15 mpg range.   Probly not so many there eh?

lazs

[Zulu7]

If people filled their cars with people then indeed the car would be fuel efficient. Trouble is most people don't. Every day of the year (exept the snowy ones, though we don't get much of that now thanks to global warming !) I pass loads of the things sitting in traffic buning petrol going nowhere fast with only one occupant two at the most.

So yes lazs in an ideal world cars are more fuel efficient. till then though the bike wins.

[lazs2]

who cares anyway?  I didn't build my cars to be fuel efficient and unless you are lying to yourself you don't ride a bike out of any kind of ecolodgical consideration.  

You get your kicks your way and I will get mine my way.   I won't be trying to ban your kicks because it costs me money or gets a lot of people maimed or killed tho.

lazs

[Zulu7]

Now did I say I wanted to ban cars? I hope not because thats not what I would do. i might limit their numbers by making it a little prohibitive to own the big SuV in towns .

No I didn't start to ride out of ecological consideration. I rode because it used to be cheaper as a kid to ride a bike than drive.

I ride now because its a real rush but I still think the bike rush currently costs the env less than the car rush. Remember I live in a city as well not out in the wide open spaces of the midwest or some such place. So here my argument carries water maybe not so where you hail from.

[lazs2]

hmm... limit their numbers by.... "making it a little prohibitive to own the big SuV in towns "   how pray tell would you do that and why?

maybe we could limit the numbers of motorcyle deaths and inuries by "limiting" the HP to say.... 25?

Maybe we could "limit" gun injuries and deaths by "making it a little prohibitive to own"  them?  that's the ticket!  make it so expensive and unfun and useless that people will "voluntarily" give up their guns or cars or SUV's or motorcycles or.... whatever the nanny state is villanizing this month.

It's a slippery slope that you and I see in a much different light.

lazs

[Zulu7]

Yeah maybe you're right.

Maybe we should let people make up their own minds.

I still reckon SuVs are bloody daft in towns though. And have shared this opinion with at least two SuV driving colleagues. One who went out and sold theirs after a long chat down the pub about their huge debt and its link to the stupid thing!

[lazs2]

I recon that SUV's (for the most part) are pretty "daft" tho myself.  But... I don't really care.  I don't make the payment or feed em or have to drive em.

Yep... let people make up their own minds... that is the root of the thing.

here... SUV is a little more practical on our roads with our gas prices and lifestyles.  I bought a huge Lincoln instead just to get my grand daughter and girlfriend around in as my other two cars are 2 seaters and I need to have a baby seat.   In any case... It is not for me to decide what others drive or shoot or do in their own homes out of sight of the animals and children.

lazs

[Zulu7]

Jees it must be Friday. we are agreeing!

[lazs2]

I am off today... it is raining and I am too old and lazy to fire up the roadster and get all cold and wet these days...

I have enjoyed chatting and am doing my laundry as we type. In the old days I would have rode the Harley or driven the roadster even tho 400+ hp on wet roads with a 90" wheelbase is touchy... Today I will be happy with the sound of a big block El Camino... if it clears up some I will take a few guns out for a workout.

lazs

[beet1e]

I think SUVs should be banned because I don't like them and don't see why anyone else should have the right to drive them. Except Lazs, of course. He can have one if he wants.

My previous cleaning lady had a Vauxhall Frontera and was forever crying in her beer about its fuel consumption - 18mpg. Bloody ridiculous thing it was too.

Oh yeah, in case you're wondering - I could do my own cleaning, but it's woman's work. They have smaller feet so they can stand closer to the sink.

Hey Lazs, when did you get that Lincoln? I didn't see it when I was there. What year, and how much did you pay for it? Do you have a pic?

[Zulu7]

Same here Lazs. Chatting virtual sparring thats what this place is for. I'm bored here at work. No youth Club tonight as the kids from the estate will be off in town binge drinking! lol

So I'm off home beating the traffic on my trumpet.



Have a good weekend

[lazs2]

beet... got a good deal on a used one with 50k on it.   14k out the door.  And...

The salesman was a brit.   The car sits in the side yard under a carport for weeks at a time except as a toddler mover.   I knocked the dinning room wall out since you visited... I can email you picks of both events if you want...    I still like driving the big block elky tho.   Girlfriend likes the Lincoln a little better...

Have to admit that it was "relaxing" to take a trip in with her to hearst castle a while ago in tho...

Oddly... the baby loves to go in "pappas fast car" and makes vroom vroom noises when she sits in it.  

I will wait for her to rach at least 5 or 6 before I let her shoot my guns tho...  Oh... she made me a "gun" out of popsicle sticks in daycare.... I was relieved to hear that the daycare teachers though it was amusing rather than the greatest threat to civilization and the human race ever seen.

lazs