Author Topic: Kev. 80th FS P38 L info (Read 2302 times)

Guppy35 · « **on:** February 13, 2005, 02:41:26 AM »

Not much out there on the late in the game Headhunter L models.

The first image is N just to show the placement of the green and white bands on the tail, wings and props.

The next two are Miss Cheri, a P38L from the Headhunters.

Last is the nose art based on a Varga Girl. I did this for a 51 profile I did of a 506th FG Mustang. Thought it might help with Miss Cheri since its the same Varga Girl

Thanks Kev

Dan/Slack

oboe · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2005, 07:55:20 AM »

Those tail stripe proportions are the reverse of what I put on Jandina IV (my lower stripe is larger) and the wing tips aren't painted green. Now I'm wondering if the metal model I used as an example was all the accurate.

Have you got any images of Jandina IV to confirm the details of the paint scheme I did were correct? Getting ready to do the final weathering and submit her next week...

Thanks!

Kev367th · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2005, 10:29:26 AM »

Oboe what RGB values you use for the green, that way we can match the J and L.
Take it the X is standard black/white?
Color of the circle behind the nose art?
Color of Miss Cheri words?

oboe · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:27:42 AM »

Good idea, Kev. I used "Willow Green" from the US colors section of Skinner's Heaven color charts. Its hex value is 528431.

The standard green value just looked too dark to me.

Kev367th · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:37:05 AM »

Lol great minds, I started by using willow green until I heard from you.
Maybe we could do common band widths also?
You still want eye candy, its a 2mb file?

Anyway got to here-

Guppy35 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2005, 12:27:12 PM »

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Originally posted by oboe
Those tail stripe proportions are the reverse of what I put on Jandina IV (my lower stripe is larger) and the wing tips aren't painted green. Now I'm wondering if the metal model I used as an example was all the accurate.

Have you got any images of Jandina IV to confirm the details of the paint scheme I did were correct? Getting ready to do the final weathering and submit her next week...

Thanks!

Oboe, Jay Robbins was the Squadron CO and he kinda got to do what he wanted with his paint scheme. It also was done during an earlier time then the L when they had changed the design a bit with the wing band etc.

By that time the entire 49th had finally converted to P38s so there was some group wide convention to the paint scheme. With the 35 using yellow and the 36th using white

Kev, I think the top rudder band on yours is not quite large enough compared to the photo of N.

I sure appreciate that you guys have taken on those two birds though. Headhunters for all

Dan/Slack

Kev367th · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2005, 12:36:05 PM »

Increased top rudder band size, and fixed a slight misalignment between top/bottom wing bands.
Updated original pic.

Sure wish I could work out what the noseart is wearing, mine isn't wearing anything lol.

oboe · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2005, 12:42:04 PM »

Common band widths? I'm not sure we have any in common between Jandina IV and Miss Cheri - Jandina has no midwing band, and the tail stripes arent the same either - Jandina doesn't have the extra green band outside of the white band on the tail stripe. I'm trying to find out if mine are correct, as I worked from only one source.

Hey, I mentioned this to theBest1 also - but the border between the spinner base and the engine nacelle looks funny to me on a lot of these 38s. It probably has to do with specularity difference between the spinner and the nacelles - do you think it would help the introduce a shaded thin dark line on the base of the spinner? It would sorta represent a tiny gap between the spinner and the nacelle?

Yeah I've been looking for a free Eye Candy download, but the demo versions of 3.0 and 4000 don't allow you to save anything - just preview. Its a couple hundred bucks to buy, so out of the question for me. Can you get it any smaller if you zip it? What about posting it to AH-skins? Lucull might be able to help us. Is it just a free demo of any earlier version that allows the saving of your changes, over and above previewing them?

Also - should we standardize on the antiglare panel color of the nose and inside boom surfaces? I've been using a light black color, something like 2C2C2C or close to it - but yours is lighter and appears to have a drab greenish cast to it. No idea if one is more correct - I think mine just came directly from the antiglare panels of the default 38L skin. OTOH, it might be nice to have differences visible from the cockpit, just so the pilot FEELS like he's in a different skin, you know? That's one of the big drawbacks to my P-47D11 natural metal skins - they both look the same out the cockpit window, so you don't have the sense of being in a unique skin.

PS. No objections to Miss Cheri's lack of attire here, , but it looks to be a sheer negligee - I think if you made a dark, frilly border for the hem and straps, and then made a dark but mostly transparent layer for the material, it would look close. (Not that I know much about these things )

Guppy35 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2005, 12:56:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Increased top rudder band size, and fixed a slight misalignment between top/bottom wing bands.
Updated original pic.

Sure wish I could work out what the noseart is wearing, mine isn't wearing anything lol.

Here's what the aircraft painters worked from Kev. One of the Vargas Girls

Dan/Slack

Kev367th · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2005, 01:04:27 PM »

Could try the spinner idea, but your right difference is due to specularity diffs. Maybe a single black line, think anything bigger will look weird.

Can't zip Eycandy any lower than 2mb
I've temp put it on my hosted website, get it here -

http://www.cyberonic.net/~kreed/eyecandy.EXE

Install to your plugin directory.
Once installed goto Add/remove programs and remove the eycandy 4000 demo part of it.
This leaves just the fully working version.

Edit - Updated pic with spinner idea, used a 1 pixel black line and gaussian blur of 2.
Also added clothed noseart

Redid the "Miss Cherie" words, more readable now.
New engine grime layer.

Would have like to been more sure on wing band placement, have a sneaky feeling they should be further inboard. Apart from that this is it.

Oboe -
Don't know if this helps with your stripes -
http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/scotts/decals/aero/am48350.htm

When you get yours finished should do a montage of both together

oboe · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2005, 03:50:38 PM »

Boy that really looks great! The nose art and the spinner/nacelle border both. Definitely yes on the montage, and include Guppy's 38H as well!

Well, the link is different than my source so maybe Guppy can clear up the discrepancy? Got any pics of Jandina IV, Dan?

Or can you make an educated guess about the presence of colored wingtips, and the number of stripes on the boom?

My inclination would be to give the the decal sheet higher credibilty than the metal model, but the author of the decal sheet didn't even get Jandina IV's pilots name completely correct, so I don't know. But the decal sheet does match the photos you gave Kev of Miss Cheri, tail stripes-wise.

Kev, if you want, go ahead and cut and paste your tail stripes and boom stripe layers into a couple of gifs or bmps and post them here or email them to me at he email addy in my profile and I'll make the changes on my bird, while saving an old copy of it. We might as well get the shared elements exactly the same? Or let me know the angle of your boom stripes - I think mine are currently 35 degrees or so.

You know I think this is kind of cool.

Kev367th · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2005, 03:52:48 PM »

Had the same thing, found a decal sheet of 'Miss Cheri", no wing stripes but had a single boom stripe?
In fact it suggests it was common for the 80th to have the noseart on both sides also?

Emailed stripes and full bmp file for montage.

http://www.meteorprod.com/

search for p38

Let me know when you get eyecandy off my site so I can remove it.

oboe · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2005, 04:05:14 PM »

Oh yep, thanks! I got Eye Candy following you instructions, works like I charm!

Still need to read the tutorial on AH Skins yet, but got the program - thanks much!

Kev367th · « **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2005, 04:07:21 PM »

emailed final full bitmap and stripes only psd file.

Be nice to do the same sort of thing on various birds so we get like a complete collection with shared elements that tie them together.

If I was you I'd stick with the wing tip green/white and the dual green/white boom stripes.

Kev367th · « **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2005, 04:35:54 PM »

Oops may have emailed it to wrong person.
Zip file with full bmp (for montage) and stripes only psd here -

http://www.cyberonic.net/~kreed/misscheri.zip

Can't wait to see a pic of all 3 together