Americas New Foreign Policy

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Octavius
I was positive that "Speak softly, carry a big stick" was Teddy, but some sources replace "Speak" with "Walk," so I killed my post before I could confirm .

You're probably right again, and I probably need to take American History 101 all over again

[Zulu7]

Any of you guys sound as if you'd be better than this idiot!

[Saintaw]

Who's this "angelfire" lad?

[Swoop]

Originally posted by Elfie
Holland has done this. Initially they had a higher drug abuse rate but iirc that has tapered off and they now have a lower drug abuse rate than before drugs were made legal.

Rubbish.

Holland legalised marijuana, nothing else, just marijuana.  And yeah, the only issue the Dutch now have with marijuana abuse is dealing with all the doped up American tourists who seem to think they can smoke the Dutch stuff neat like they do back home and not end up in hospital being prescribed valium.

In no other city in the world have I been offered cocaine, E, heroin and LSD by 4 different people while walking the length of a street 100 yards long.  There's back streets in Amsterdam merely feet from main tourist areas that you cant walk down without stepping on a used needle.  

Back in the 1990s the Dutch police tried a major undercover operation to infiltrate the smugglers........lots of money was put into the operation and some success was seen simply due to the fact that the undercover officers could easily arrange for border guards, etc, to be looking the other way.  In fact the infiltration was so successful that when the operation was finally shut down the actual amount of cocaine/heroin being imported to Holland fell by 75% overnight.  Now read that last sentance again.

That's right.  The Dutch police were importing 75% of the hard drugs in the country.  And no arrests were made either.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Elfie

Be like France???? NEVAH!!  More like FDR said, walk softly but carry a big stick.

Umm that was Teddy Roosevelt

Now THERE was a man

[indy007]

Originally posted by RTStuka
As for the lack of response time by the U.S. military I would say lets beef up the Navy. By doing this I believe that you could aslo stimulate job growth by the need for new Navy ships that need to be constructed.

We definately need a smaller, more trim Navy.. but ironicaly, that doesn't fly with the admiralty. Keep in mind these are the same people that demanded there be a paint locker on a ship that doesn't use paint, and had a hard time finding anybody to command the first stealth ship because it had a crew of a dozen. Kelly Johnson of the Skunkworks always said don't deal with the Navy. Ben Rich didn't listen & learned his lesson =P

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Saintaw
Who's this "angelfire" lad?

Just looked it up

series of pictures.
1 was a picture of GW Bush. the rest looked to be ZULU7 and his immediate family

[Zulu7]

I just pinch the pics from google image searches. I tried posting my own but this BBs doesn't seem to accept them and just puts up the code. So until I have em loaded on a site this BBs likes I'll have to keep raiding.

Now back to the possible candidates to replace that Bush monkey.

[Elfie]

I guess I was waaaaaaaay out in left field on Hollands drug policies.....heck, I dont think I was even in the ballpark.

I was under the impression that Holland had legalized all manner of drugs and that their drug abuse rate had fallen after initially going up. Probably read some bogus information on it along time ago.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19990501faessay982/larry-collins/holland-s-half-baked-drug-experiment.html

Thanks for getting me back on track Swoop

[lasersailor184]

Wow, the complete lack of economical unawareness astounds me.


1.) If we pull out military bases from around the world, the world will not see America as being as strong as it is.  Then foreign investors will not invest in america.  (-1 Economy).

2.) If we stop factories from moving out of the country, the price for everything would triple, the dollar value will fall, we would have less people working and more people bankrupt (-5 economy).

3.) If you cut off foreign aid, those people who invest in this country will cut off their money flow. (-1 Economy).

Now, this doesn't mean we can't redirect the foreign aid to those that help us or those that truly need it.



On a non economical issue, the reason drugs are banned is not because of what it does to the person himself, but what that person does to other people.  I couldn't give two flying ****s if you decide to shoot 5 KG's of heroine into your arm at one time.  The moment you step out of that door, you will not be acting normally, nor will you have a clear and sane mind.




The only intelligent thing said in this post so far is Mr. McGroin's idea to poison incoming drug supplies and just let it go through.

[RTStuka]

Wow  sailor its so refreshing to see some one post a logical response, unfortunatly yours didnt do any of those. If you have not noticed people are already starting to slow their investment in america and the dollar is already droping in value under the current plan. I never stated that you would want to stop all foreign trade because obviously thats not smart. What  needs to be done is thta we dont let foreign countries start controlling our survival in the technology and manufacturing world.

As for you amazing stance on the drugs tell me the difference between the guy who injects heroin and walks outside to the guy who drinks his face off and walks outside.

[Elfie]

1.) If we pull out military bases from around the world, the world will not see America as being as strong as it is. Then foreign investors will not invest in america. (-1 Economy).

Pulling ALL our troops home and downsizing our military to what is needed for defensive purposes only would save us a ton of tax dollars every year.

2.) If we stop factories from moving out of the country, the price for everything would triple, the dollar value will fall, we would have less people working and more people bankrupt (-5 economy).

If we DONT stop our factories from moving overseas our capability to manufacture things will drastically reduce, making our trade deficit even worse than it currently is. The more factories that move overseas the more Americans that lose their jobs.

3.) If you cut off foreign aid, those people who invest in this country will cut off their money flow. (-1 Economy).

We have a huge national debt. It isnt smart to toss money around to other countries when our gov't has to borrow money to make ends meet. Take care of our own people first, then if there is cash left over, give as much away as you like.

We have American's who are homeless, American's who are poverty stricken, help those people before helping people in other countries imo.

[Elfie]

As for you amazing stance on the drugs tell me the difference between the guy who injects heroin and walks outside to the guy who drinks his face off and walks outside.

There is no difference really. Both are drugs, both impair your abilities, both mental and physical. One is socially acceptable, the other isnt.

[Siaf__csf]

You dont consider someone getting drunk or smoking 2 packs a day to be an addict...

I don't? I thought I did. And I do.

[lasersailor184]

No, if the factories stay here, there will be people to work at them.


However!  ALL PRICES WILL BE TRIPLE!  The factory itself would only be able to staff 1/3 of what it would need.  Those few people who would work at the factory wouldn't be able to buy ANYTHING ANYWAY.


Guys, i'm not pulling insane economic theories out of my bellybutton here.  These are ECONOMIC BASICS!


If you decide to balance the budget instead of the economy, the economy will nosedive faster then it did in 1929.  This is one good reason why John Kerry wasn't elected president.  If he actually did what he said he was going to do, we would all have no money, be working at coal mines for 20 hours a day.