This will allow Hizb'Allah to continue to collect money as a charity in Europe,

[Suave]

One thing I've noticed about europe from reading their news is that it's actually a lot more racists than north america. Europeans think jews are an ethnicity, as well as the roma, and there's still a lot of residual antisemitism as well as antiprotestantism and anything else. They confuse nationality with ethnicity. I see the term ethnic[insert nationality here] a lot. Do the basque still think that they're a race? What about the albanians and the serbs? I actually talked to a russian who used the term "ethnic russian". LOL. If you told them that europeans are all the same ethnicity, white, they'd probably take offense.

[Suave]

The point of this thread was how it's bad and stupid to give money to terrorists. And then somebody countered that point by bringing up other people giving money to other terrorists(IRA) as if it was relevant inasmuch as it would influence how people percieve the badness and stupidity of giving money to terrorists. But it doesn't.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I believe that you should get off your high horse and stop accusing others of the thing you do yourselves.

I'm not on any high horse, I'm just asking questions. Don't be so defensive

I say form a real border between the palestinians and the Israelis and get over with it.

I think the Isralis tried that. The wall they put up caused a general outcry from the side of the world you live on.

 

They both use the same means for thier goals. Terror is terror, unfortunately.

This is what bothers me. Granted, both sides have been brutal. But Israel just wants their peace of mind, their lives, their home. The people that are fighting them want the eradication of the Jewish people. I don't see any logic in the guilt that you place on this situation.

I don't expect to persuade anyone to change their minds, so I'm not going to get into a detailed analysis of the situation over there. As far as Ireland is concerned, what does it matter if they are 'oppressed'? Ireland was an independant country, it is now under the rule of another country.

Again, I am not going to take a position in that fight. The IRA has done many horrible things. I don't support the wholesale killing of civilians in a fight like that, or the conquest of another country. The behaviour of the conquering country doesn't factor into the fact that they are the 'conquering' country.

I really don't know how the Irish live today but I suspect the English government is not oppressive on them. As far as I know the Irish live a regular life

Is there anything positive the IRA has achieved?

The answer to that depends on your position to their situation.

Negative? Absolutely, irregardless of your position.

[Siaf__csf]

I think the Isralis tried that. The wall they put up caused a general outcry from the side of the world you live on.

That is because they wanted to form a ghetto without giving the palestinians independence. There's a huge difference you know.

If the Israelis really want to live in peace, why do they continuously form new colonies and bulldoze palestinian housing in order to achieve that? To me it seems purely a provocation.

If you told them that europeans are all the same ethnicity, white, they'd probably take offense.

That's because it's pretty much true. For example Albanians can be spotted from thier looks quite easily. That means it's no longer a question of just a nationality. Greece has a huge problem with illegal immigrants from Albania. People are forced to install bars on thier windows and hire security companies because of the thieving albanians. It is estimated that about half a million albanians live illegally in Greece. The main source of income for them is crime.

The main difference between the US and the europe is that in europe we are not politically correct, we don't censor everything possible and we say things as they are.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
That is because they wanted to form a ghetto without giving the palestinians independence. There's a huge difference you know.

If the Israelis really want to live in peace, why do they continuously form new colonies and bulldoze palestinian housing in order to achieve that? To me it seems purely a provocation.

If they wanted new 'colonies' they wouldn't wall themselves in. They don't want to create a 'ghetto', they want to secure their people. Israel offered the palistinian people their own country several years ago, it was refused. They bulldoze settlements in response to attacks on their citizens, the settlements being petri dishes of terrorism.

If you told them that europeans are all the same ethnicity, white, they'd probably take offense.[/B]

I didn't say that and I have no idea what you are talking about.
 

That's because it's pretty much true. For example Albanians can be spotted from thier looks quite easily. That means it's no longer a question of just a nationality. Greece has a huge problem with illegal immigrants from Albania. People are forced to install bars on thier windows and hire security companies because of the thieving albanians. It is estimated that about half a million albanians live illegally in Greece. The main source of income for them is crime.

The main difference between the US and the europe is that in europe we are not politically correct, we don't censor everything possible and we say things as they are.

So you hate Albanians and Jews?  What was the point of that last quote?

The incarceration rate of blacks in America is much higher than any other ethnicity. So if I see a black person I assume he is a criminal???


african-american is the PC term, but I don't use it

[straffo]

Originally posted by Lazerus

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Someone said Dutch too, but I'm waiting for the proof:p

If you start salivating reading the word "kroket" there is a good chance you have Dutch blood

And if you're idea of heaven on earth is bread with butter and hagelslag ... well you're dutch

[straffo]

Originally posted by Suave
...Do the basque still think that they're a race? ...

Yes ,all the one I know.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Suave
Do the basque still think that they're a race?  

incroyable!!:eek:

[Nashwan]

And your point is?

My point is, an American in one of the typical anti-Europe post here is attacking a European government (and the whole EU) for failing to stop a middle east terrorist group raising funds in Europe.

It's rather hypocritical when the US failed to stop a European terrorist group raising funds in the US for 30 years.

If it was so easy defining terrorist groups, perhaps the US would have banned IRA fundraising in the US?

And England belongs in Ireland for what reason??

England isn't in Ireland.

England is in England, Wales in Wales, Scotlant in Scotland, Northern Ireland in  Northern Ireland, the Irish Republic in southern Ireland.

I see both sides. What I don't undersatnd is why England is there, or why she insists on staying.

England isn't there. I think you mean

"Why is Northern Ireland still part of the UK?"

and the answer to that is because the majority of the population of Northern Ireland want to remain part of the UK.

Britain is a democracy. That applies to each part of Britain, which can choose to break away if it wants to. The majority of the people of Nrthern Ireland don't want to.

Why is England there?

Why should they be there?

Again, England isn't there.

Why should Northern Ireland be part of the UK? Because the people vote in every election for parties that want to remain part of the UK, despite having a free choice of other parties that don't.

Why is America in Hawaii? Why should they be there?

Why can't the people of Ireland decide for themselves if they want to be a subject of England, or their own country. ( I've seen the results of a few votes)

How are the people of Northern Ireland "subject of England"?

Northern Ireland is part of the UK. It has 18 MPs in parliament (More per head of population than England).

Why are the people of Hawaii subject to America?

( I've seen the results of a few votes)

Care to say which ones?

Here are the results for all elections in Northern Ireland since 1973:
http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/

It's worth noting that the largest party in Northern Ireland in both the recent Assembly election and the European elections is the Democratic Unionist Party, the party founded and run by Ian Paisley (until he retired a few years ago).

It's just a damn bloody mess over there. Personaly, I think there's just too much emotion to ever solve it rationaly.

It's solved rationally.

There are organised crime groups on both sides of the community that don't want to give up their lucrative criminal careers, and cloak them in "politics", but to normal people the issues are clear.

All the terrorist groups are now is organised crime "families" along the lines of the mafia.

Witness the two latest IRA actions, a £26 million bank robbery, and the murder of a man during an argument outside a pub, and the intimidation of the locals into not talking to the police.

[Krusher]

It never fails to amaze me how easily you look to our past to justify your present.  Talk about your double standards,  if you have any standards at all.  Well you and your leaders can keep your head in the sand and pray the big bad terrorist stick to jews and americans.  

No people in history have ever survived who thought they could protect their freedom by making themselves inoffensive to their enemies. Dean Acheson

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I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air. Margaret Thatcher

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An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Winston Churchill

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No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb. Franklin D Roosevelt

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The one sure way to conciliate a tiger is to allow oneself to be devoured. Konrad Adenauer
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[Staga]

Originally posted by Lazerus
If they wanted new 'colonies' they wouldn't wall themselves in. They don't want to create a 'ghetto', they want to secure their people. Israel offered the palistinian people their own country several years ago, it was refused. They bulldoze settlements in response to attacks on their citizens, the settlements being petri dishes of terrorism.
 

You should read more about what kind of deal was offered to Palestinians.
They were offered a "home lands" just like in South-Africa at the era of Apartheid; areas isolated from each other connected by narrow passages which would have been guarded by Israeli troops.
They had a change to accept living in ghettoes; would you accept living like that???

Yeah I thought so.

[lazs2]

I believe that wulfie is on the right track..  I beleieve the jews have shown remarkable restraint.

If I were them I would use any terrorist attack by pallestinians on civilians in their own homes as a reason to declare war on palestine..  I would then take their land and move em all out of the country.

If mexican terrorists were killing civilians in southern U.S. And the Mexican government wouldn't stop it you can bet we would be taking their country away from em.  

lazs

[wulfie]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I won't even go into details with CIA helping the mujahadeens etc.

No - please. Spell it out and go into details. Explain it to me. I want to know what you think about the CIA helping 'the mujadeens'.

Explain to me what the point of this statement is.

(Wulfie lets the bat slip into his left hand, and points into the stands behind right field)

Mike/wulfie

[Dowding]

Nashwan - forget even trying to argue using reason, fact and truth.

The currency of this BBS is falsification, exaggeration and ignorance; people like Lazarus hold the keys to the vault.

I wonder how many Americans secretly or openly admired the IRA prior to Sept 11th 2001. Of them, how many really changed their minds?

[Siaf__csf]

Wulfie how can you imagine you can hit anything if you're blind?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1

'nuff said.