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Elfie · « **Reply #45 on:** February 19, 2005, 01:16:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Nashwan - forget even trying to argue using reason, fact and truth.

The currency of this BBS is falsification, exaggeration and ignorance; people like Lazarus hold the keys to the vault.

I wonder how many Americans secretly or openly admired the IRA prior to Sept 11th 2001. Of them, how many really changed their minds?

Lazerus is just asking questions. I have never admired the IRA secretly or openly. I know of no American's who have or do. Granted I only know a very small percentage of our population though

Krusher · « **Reply #46 on:** February 19, 2005, 01:16:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
I wonder how many Americans secretly or openly admired the IRA prior to Sept 11th 2001. Of them, how many really changed their minds?

Very few but feel free to believe whatever makes you feel superior.

Nilsen · « **Reply #47 on:** February 19, 2005, 01:27:46 PM »

lol Staga
you dont poke people when you wanna get a point across do you? You really swing the bat!

BATMAN!

Thrawn · « **Reply #48 on:** February 19, 2005, 02:11:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Lazerus
If they wanted new 'colonies' they wouldn't wall themselves in. They don't want to create a 'ghetto', they want to secure their people.

Than how do you explain this?

"Settlement population rose by 6 percent in 2004

11/01/2005

By Relly Sa'ar, Haaretz Correspondent

The number of people living in the West Bank and Gaza settlements increased by 6 percent last year, according to statistics published Sunday by the Interior Ministry's Population Registry.
In 2004, 250,179 people lived in the territories, compared to 236,381 in 2003 - an increase of 13,798. In the Gaza Strip alone, there was an 11 percent increase in the number of residents in Jewish settlements. In 2004, 8,693 people lived in 17 settlements, compared to 7,820 in 2003.

The chief growth in the number of Gush Katif residents (7 percent of the total growth) occurred in the second half of 2004, after the disengagement plan was first publicized in July. The highest rate of growth (61 percent) was recorded in the smallest settlement, Shalev, which had 42 residents in 2004 compared to 26 in 2003.

The largest settlement in the Gaza Strip, Neve Dekalim, took in 103 new residents in 2004, an increase of 4 percent since 2002, when it had 2,568 residents. Other settlements also grew, such as Kfar Darom (a 29 percent increase), Netzarim (25 percent) and Netzer Hazani (21 percent) in comparison with 2003.

The four settlements in the West Bank that are included in the disengagement plan also experienced growth over the past year, compared to 2003. In Sa-Nur, the number of residents nearly tripled last year. In 2003, it had 38 residents, in 2004 - 105. In Kadim, there was a 12 percent increase, with 151 residents in 2003, compared to 169 last year. The populations of Ganim and Hermesh increased by 6 and 7 percent, respectively.

Some of the larger West Bank settlements also increased their population, according to Interior Ministry data. The ultra-Orthodox city of Modi'in Ilit grew by 14 percent, bringing the number of residents to 27,301 in 2004. In Ma'aleh Adumim, the growth rate was 6 percent, as 1,800 newcomers moved into the city, bringing its population to 28,546. With 17,555 people last year, Ariel registered no increase."

*Source: http://www.haaretzdaily.com, Monday January 10, 2005.

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Israel offered the palistinian people their own country several years ago, it was refused.

Oh bull****, Isreal offered to chop of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and give some of it back to the Palisinians. I wonder what you would think of that if Mexico offered to do the same thing with US south.

Krusher · « **Reply #49 on:** February 19, 2005, 02:14:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

Oh bull****, Isreal offered to chop of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and give some of it back to the Palisinians. I wonder what you would think of that if Mexico offered to do the same thing with US south.

so when are you canadians giving canada back to the indians?

Thrawn · « **Reply #50 on:** February 19, 2005, 02:16:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
so when are you canadians giving canada back to the indians?

Sorry, do the indians have internationally recognised boarders? Secondly, we paid and continue to pay for that land when we renigotiate treaties. Is isreal buying the land the settlements are on? No, they are stealing it.

Krusher · « **Reply #51 on:** February 19, 2005, 02:20:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Sorry, do the indians have internationally recognised boarders? Secondly, we paid and continue to pay for that land when we renigotiate treaties. Is isreal buying the land the settlements are on? No, they are stealing it.

ahhh I see , when exactly was palistine a country ?

Dowding · « **Reply #52 on:** February 19, 2005, 02:39:37 PM »

Are you a communist, Krusher? Do you not believe in property rights?

The legitamacy of the Palestinian claim to statehood is irrelevant when it comes to the question of an individual householder's rights to his land and property.

Elfie- if many Americans show the same lack of knowledge and blatant ignorance of the Northern Ireland situation as Lazarus then I wouldn't be surprised if support for the IRA is more widespread than you believe. Afterall, many British people don't know the basic facts so why should Americans?

straffo · « **Reply #53 on:** February 19, 2005, 02:47:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
so when are you canadians giving canada back to the indians?

when you won't be a troll anymore or "quand les poules auront des dents".

Thrawn · « **Reply #54 on:** February 19, 2005, 03:07:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
ahhh I see , when exactly was palistine a country ?

When it was part of the British Empire. What's more it has internationally recognised borders.

Yeager · « **Reply #55 on:** February 19, 2005, 03:52:52 PM »

oooh! lol

wulfie · « **Reply #56 on:** February 19, 2005, 09:05:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Wulfie how can you imagine you can hit anything if you're blind?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1

'nuff said.

Put up or shut up. Don't link to a news article. Explain to me what the point of your statement about the CIA and ''the mujadeens' (as you call them).

State your point and back it up. How hard can it be? After all, you're so much more well-informed and I am 'blind'.

"'nuff said"? You haven't said anything. You posted a link to an MSNBC news story? I am under-freaking-whelmed.

Mike/wulfie

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #57 on:** February 20, 2005, 01:05:38 AM »

I won't waste my time if you're that ignorant wulfie. Nice try tho.

I rate you in the '1 quick Google search' category.

wulfie · « **Reply #58 on:** February 20, 2005, 02:15:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I won't waste my time if you're that ignorant wulfie. Nice try tho.

I rate you in the '1 quick Google search' category.

I see how it is.

You say "I won't even go into details with CIA helping the mujahadeens etc."

I say "No, please, go into details."

You say "No, I won't waste my time because you're so ignorant".

I'll waste my time (a little of it).

The whole premise of 'Chickens coming home to roost' + 'Usama' + CIA backing of various Muj and Afghani warlords is total nonsense. Anyone who espouses it or believes it has no knolwedge of the actual history of events (yes I'm referring to you as well as others - you can make your 'ignorant' and '1 quick google search' comments all you want - I spent over a year of my life in Afghanistan - feel free to STFU about topics where your knolwedge consists of reading an article from MSNBC).

First off, the topic of the thread dealt with groups being allowed to fund known terrorist organisations. Explain to me how the CIA and the U.K. providing support to Afghani warlords thru the ISI pertains to this?

Secondly, the 'Chickens coming home to roost' analogy as applied to Usama is idiotic. Usama was a minor player as far as CIA-backed (thru the ISI) fighters opposing the Soviets go. He arrived late on the scene and talked a good jihad. The vast majority of the fighters aided by the West thru the ISI remained very loyal to the U.S., the U.K., and the 'West' in general. Ever heard of the Northern Alliance? Any idea how quickly Afghani warlords led their fighters to join the Northern Alliance once the Taliban leaders and their Al-Q thugs fled the area? I didn't think so.

'Chickens coming home to roost'? Give me a break. Usama was a traitor to the people who helped 'his' jihad when it needed help to avoid being wiped out. Usama and his ilk and the Taliban started trying to rewrite history as soon as they were in power. No longer was it aid from outside Nations that made the difference against the Soviets - now it was 'The will of Allah'. Fortunately for the U.S. after 11SEP01, the vast majority of the Warlords and their fighters remembered what really happened.

You're not trying to avoid wasting time. You tried to slip in a cleverly worded lie to support a stupid argument and got called on it, and your only response was to insult me in what you apparently considered to be a witty manner.

Maybe some day I'll be as cool as you.

Mike/wulfie

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #59 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:24:40 AM »

Wulfie you are free to believe what you want. If you served down there years after any of the mentioned events took place it hardly says anything.

You're most likely a grunt whose job is to follow orders and ask no questions. That's quite ok to me.

I'm sure that the russians provided the muhajadeens all those stingers themselves so they could test the battleworthyness of thier aircraft. CIA had no role in the whole thing etc. In fact, US has never used any outside groups for its purpose and have it backfire.

So you're right wulfie.