Author Topic: Libertarianism (Read 2049 times)

cpxxx · « **Reply #30 on:** February 21, 2005, 08:51:02 PM »

lazs will explain when he sees this thread. He's a big libertarian.

Martlet · « **Reply #31 on:** February 21, 2005, 08:54:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Oh... so it's no longer "property"..... but "house".

I suppose some Libertarian by-law or ordinance would cover that. Uh oh...

No, it's property also. You could flood your HOUSE and have all the mosquitos you'd like. That doesn't affect me next door. However if you flood your property, and grow mosquitos, it affects me. Unless you enclose your yard. Of course you could have just read the link Sandman posted and answered your own question.

Nahhh, then you wouldn't have the opportunity to ask stupid questions.

You jump from dumb question to accusation. I should have known from past experience where you were going.

Octavius · « **Reply #32 on:** February 21, 2005, 08:56:02 PM »

Your rights end where my rights begin, there

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 21, 2005, 08:56:09 PM »

"Public park" wouldn't exist. Whoever owns the land would make the rules.

As far as these neighborhood nuisances you keep fantasizing about, do a search for "deed restrictions". It's a very efficient private method for handling this issue.

Sandman · « **Reply #34 on:** February 21, 2005, 08:57:44 PM »

Ah... take it for what it's worth. Nash is exploring the boundaries.

Even freedom has limits. It's worth a thought even if it's ridiculous.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #35 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:02:51 PM »

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Ah... take it for what it's worth. Nash is exploring the boundaries.

Yeah, but it's like he ran through the gate at Disneyland and ran past all the rides to go explore the fenceline. If he was really interested in it he would be reading instead of spouting. He's just looking for some trollage on a boring Monday night.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:05:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan
Snowcrash

Burbclaves are pretty much the ultimate extension of deed restrictions.

Sandman · « **Reply #37 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:08:49 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yeah, but it's like he ran through the gate at Disneyland and ran past all the rides to go explore the fenceline.

I bet it's happened.

Nash · « **Reply #38 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:14:03 PM »

K, I looked up deed restrictions... and they're basically zoning by-laws. Mmm... kinda like what we have now? Maybe slightly different...

Oh - hang on a sec. Martlet? Bite me, you tool.

Back to deed restrictions... Sandman is exactly right, I'm just prodding the boundaries. My sense is that society has imposed certain limits on itself in order that it can function as a society. There were fewer limits in teh olden ages, but as people have become increasingly packed together, with their well being and livelihoods becoming evermore dependent and entwined with everyone else's, these limits just evolve to address that.

Uhm.... like, say, a bunch of people like to go hunting. Another bunch of people just bought multimillion-dollar homes with an amazing view. A log company buys some adjacent land and wants to chop down all the trees. Boom! A law is born. The company can't cut trees here but they can cut trees there.

That's how these laws evolved, right?

So when ya propose to take all these annoying laws away, isn't it like going back into teh olden times?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:18:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
K, I looked up deed restrictions... and they're basically zoning by-laws. Mmm... kinda like what we have now? Maybe slightly different...

Different because they are completely voluntary. If you don't like the restrictions in a certain neighborhood you are free to buy a house in another neighborhood which has different (or nonexistent) restrictions.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:21:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Uhm.... like, say, a bunch of people like to go hunting. Another bunch of people just bought multimillion-dollar homes with an amazing view. A log company buys some adjacent land and wants to chop down all the trees. Boom! A law is born. The company can't cut trees here but they can cut trees there.

The homeowners should have bought the land with the trees on it, or negotiated ($$$) with the owner of the trees. Ditto the hunters.
One person's asthetic values are not a valid reason to restrict the liberty of another.

Sandman · « **Reply #41 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:21:36 PM »

We'll all get along fine, 'cause we're all basically anarchists around here.

Nash · « **Reply #42 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:21:50 PM »

That's the way it is now...

I got a friend in one of those gated communities that actually restrict your door color to just a few choices. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a home there.

Nash · « **Reply #43 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:23:17 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
The homeowners should have bought the land with the trees on it, or negotiated ($$$) with the owner of the trees. Ditto the hunters.

So only the wealthy can hunt? Have you told anyone in the red states about this?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 21, 2005, 09:24:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
That's the way it is now...

I got a friend in one of those gated communities that actually restrict your door color to just a few choices. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a home there.

But the police will indeed force people to obey 8 zillion other rules that aren't covered by the gated community rules.
It's all about choice vs coercion.