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« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2005, 09:24:54 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2005, 09:26:03 PM »
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So only the wealthy can hunt? Have you told anyone in the red states about this?


Not at all.  Much of the land that is hunted on today is private land, that sportsman open to other sportsman.   People hunt on my property in Maine all the time.
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« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2005, 09:26:13 PM »
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So only the wealthy can hunt? Have you told anyone in the red states about this?


If people want to hunt but can't afford to buy land, they can negotiate a hunting fee with a landowner.  Or hunters can band together to buy land that they share for hunting.  Both of these examples have a long history of success here in the US.
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« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2005, 09:29:55 PM »
Hunters have to buy the land they.... erhm....

Is there, right now at this very moment, a single square foot of land that isn't already owned by anyone? Do hunters primarily hunt on private or government land? I know it's a mix, but in general....

Speaking of that... Poachers are good times under a Libertarian government, right? Because there wouldn't even be such a term. Game limits? Conservation? Meh, what world am I living in... right?
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« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2005, 09:32:22 PM »
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Hunters have to buy the land they.... erhm....

Is there, right now at this very moment, a single square foot of land that isn't already owned by anyone? Do hunters primarily hunt on private or government land? I know it's a mix, but in general....

Speaking of that... Poachers are good times under a Libertarian government, right? Because there wouldn't even be such a term. Game limits? Conservation? Meh, what world am I living in... right?


Game limits is set by property owners.  You own the wildlife.  

Why would Poaching be good times?  You can't steal from me.
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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2005, 09:34:13 PM »
And I'm sure wildlife has a solid grasp of your property lines.

Hows about a property owner extending a net upstream of a whole lotta downstream?
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« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2005, 09:37:11 PM »
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And I'm sure wildlife has a solid grasp of your property lines.

Hows about a property owner extending a net upstream of a whole lotta downstream?


What do property lines have to do with anything?  If it's on my property, I own it.  If it isn't, I don't.
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« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2005, 09:37:44 PM »
Obviously, if all hunting land were owned by hunters and people who sold hunting rights to hunters, the owners would have a great incentive for conservation on their own lands.

Nash you are running out of steam and I am getting bored.  I advise you to explore the libertarian literature online if you are interested in anything other than nitpicking.  Nite.
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« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2005, 09:39:44 PM »
Yeah, unchecked capitalism has such a great track record with conservationism.
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« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2005, 09:41:58 PM »
I don't think so... Hell, if we talked about it for a mere coupla hours I'm sure we'd come up with a whole whack of new laws, by-laws, and deed entitlements that come close to mirroring what we've already got. Maybe they'd all be called something different under a Libertarian government?
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« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2005, 09:45:44 PM »
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I don't think so... Hell, if we talked about it for a mere coupla hours I'm sure we'd come up with a whole whack of new laws, by-laws, and deed entitlements that come close to mirroring what we've already got. Maybe they'd all be called something different under a Libertarian government?


So?  There are aspects of libertarianism in our current foundation.

And we have talked about it for two hours so far, and all you've done is hit a few walls and show your lack of desire to educate yourself as you originally claimed.

With that, I'm off to bed myself.
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« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2005, 09:51:16 PM »
Wow, I was getting all enthusiastic when I saw this thread.

Then I read it.
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« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2005, 09:55:32 PM »
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Wow, I was getting all enthusiastic when I saw this thread.


You have to be kidding me.
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« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2005, 10:05:43 PM »
Tough when they ain't biting the artificials, isn't it?
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« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2005, 10:09:46 PM »
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Serously... Libertarianism is starting to sound like college kid nirvana. Is it basically all about being free to do just whatever the hell you get inspired to do?


Simple answer: No.

If you're really interested, you might start by looking at the Libertarian Party website someone else posted the link to, but then go a little deeper and click the "Issues and Positions" link there. That will give you a little more of an idea as to what the political party with that name is using as platform planks.

Keep in mind that just as the Republican Party platform doesn't necessarily define "conservative" values, and likewise for the Democratic Party and "liberal" values, you can't trust a bunch of politicians about philosophy.

Libertarianism goes a long way back, and is alive and well today - and isn't necessarily congruent with support for the "Libertarian Party" itself. You could do a little historical research, and might be surprised by how accurate the earlier comment in this thread regarding the original founding father's ideals was.

There was a fellow named R.C. Hoiles who was a noted Libertarian and who founded Freedom Communications Inc. This outfit owns over 30 newspapers nationwide, along with a few TV stations, and in addition to providing a quality media product FCI also promotes Libertarian values in its editorial commentary.

Their flagship paper is The Orange County Register, and you can look HERE to see their "Commentary" page that has a bunch of links that will keep you busy a long time if you're interested in finding out what this is all about. In particular, I recommend author Tibor Machan, his writings about current events and politics are particularly insightful.

I happen to work for a Freedom company, a medium-sized community newspaper here where I live (about 50,000 daily paid circulation). I'm on the sales/distribution end of things, so the only real input I have as to content is my opinion as to what stories will make the best headlines in terms of sales. That said, I'm pretty proud of our editorial department. THIS RECENT EDITORIAL is an example of why.

Bottom line, to some extent you're right in your characterization of Libertarianism as overly idealistic if you refer only to the Libertarian Party itself. However, in practice Libertarian philosophy may also be applied in realistic ways to develop opinions that fit into current political situations. Core principles that sound like generalities can be applied in ways that take political reality into account and be used to develop opinions as to how to deal with what we have on our plate now, in addition to wishful thinking about how society could be "in the best of all worlds".

There's more to this than immediately meets the eye ;)

culero

PS - I had the "HERE" link above wrong, edited to fix it
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