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Offline BlauK

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« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2005, 03:36:29 PM »
At least it sounds good, Straffo :)
I would like to see it tried out!


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« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2005, 03:37:53 PM »
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As far as I am concerned ... your treatment ... lends itself to making the wound stink even more. Again ... you have no research or data to back up your Rx and witch-doctor oils. Total assumption on your part without looking at the big/total picture.


 This is basically degenerate reasoning - sucks for both sides. Likewise you don't have any proof it won't work, nor is there any reason to not even try it experimentally. It's not as if it's a fundamentally different system like a full-blown RPS. It's not even the old NPA which suggests new perks on what people previously had for free. It's a suggestion to deperk the plane, and I bet HTC could do it in 1 minute with their settings. Dunno, maybe try it out for a month.

 At least for the old NPA suggestions it was confirmed by some CT CMs to work with their settings. The basic reasoning behind both past and present suggestions are the same. If it worked in the other case on a limited scale, as long as the same basics are applied there's a chance it might not work, but also a chance it might.

 And if it's proven to not work, it's simply a matter of dropping the idea. Just like the ENY limiter system which was *practically* dropped, after bad rep.


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If that is your ultimate outcome, then I stand by what I said before ... you have not completely thought this out to its final conclusion(s) which makes it completely flawed.


 What flaw?


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This may balance out the array of superplanes, but will totally destroy other planes and their usuage ... particularly the early war rides.


 It is already destroyed. Accept it and admit it. There is no such thing as 'other plane and their usage', at least on any kind of meaningful scale.
 
 The only other 'non-latewar rides' we see in the game are;

1) CV planes - lack choice in the first place
2) vets - on perk harvesting or personal gratification run
3) AH newbies - who just picked their favorites
4) base defense - Spit5s or N1K2s

 These aren't going to go away because 3 more superplanes are added.


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Wrong ... you cant add something to something else without an increase. If you have 5 lbs of watermelon and I give you another 5 lbs of watermelon you now have more watermelon than you started with and it stinks twice as bad.


 That's normal mathematics. "Hell" is more of abstract mathematics. Sorta like "infinity" concept. When you add infinity to infinity its still infinity.

 The MA already arrived at its 'extreme' which can be ever achieved by this particular condition. It's gonna stay like this and nothing's gonna change whatever someone does. Only thing that can significantly change the MA into either worse or better is something much more fundamental than just perks.

 Fiddling with the perks doesn't change anything at all in terms of basic gameplay. Even the NPA suggestion is at best a temporary relief to ease the tension going around with all the late-war planes. Likewise, unperking 3 more late-war rides is not gonna make anything better or worse. It will, however, decorate the problem in a more colorful way so at least we aren't so loatheful of it.

 The "late-war plane problem", is already out and fully roaring. I'm just asking for a slightly different form of it. It can't be made any better or worse. It can be warped or spread apart a little.

 Hence, hell + hell isn't hell hell. It's already the same hell, but with just 3 more planes.


ps) tikky, I'm really really confident the Ta152 is gonna be rare even without any kind of perks.

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« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2005, 03:52:00 PM »
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Originally posted by tikky
"unperk Ta-152"

ARE YOU ****ING OUT OF YOUR MIND?????????????????????????????????????????????????

TA IS THE RAREST OF ALL WHITE ELEPHANTS AND SHOULD STAY THAT WAY.... so as the chog

if HTC does not want to perk the top non-perk rides, they should unperk spit 14  (because it gives a competitive ride against the dweeeeeebstang and dweeb-0-9s, ect ect) and give discount price on F4U-4 and temps


Exactly what planet are you on that you think that a 152 is more uber than a spit 14 or an f4u4.  Sure there are guys that cleared out areas in them, but look at who was mentioned... Two vets that BnZ people to death.  The d9 is more forgiving than a 152, except for the small amount of 30mms it has more ammo load and packs about the same punch

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« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2005, 03:54:07 PM »
Blah ... now your just scrambling and making stuff up as you go along.

Infinity concept ... please.

Even the NPA suggestion is at best a temporary relief to ease the tension going around with all the late-war planes.

I have no tension ... and I'll bet that there are alot of others who don't either.

The only ones that get tension over whats being flown are those that for some reason think that whatever they do or accomplish in this game has some greater meaning in their life or in my life.

Its a farggin game ... thank the lord that HT and Pyro can see the forest thru the trees.
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« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2005, 04:05:55 PM »
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Originally posted by BlauK
I support your agenda, but I would aproach the situation from opposite direction: more perks, not less!

Perk also the following planes:

* La-7

* Fw190D-9
* Typhoon Mk.Ib
* P-51D
* Bf109G-10

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Heh, yeah, the HTC can advertise "..you can fly any of XX vintage WWII aircraft......but only if you're good enough."

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« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2005, 04:06:15 PM »
Slapshot,

Why do you think that unperking the Ta-152, Spit XIV and F4U-4 would cause that much change in people that the top 8 would have 75% of the kills instead of the top 5 having 50% of the kills?  That seems like odd logic to me.  If those 25% of people were inclined to go to the superbirds, they'd have already done it using the current crop of 5.  Why would the addition of these three suddenly drag them out of their P-47s, Bf109G-6s and Ki-61s?

Some would for sure, me among them, but the Spit XIV has been my favorite WWII fighter for well more than a decade.  AH's setup denies me the chance to ever get good with it or to ever fly it regularly.  (Maybe the new icon system will help me in that regards.  I've not played since that change was made)


Slimm50,

How is that different from the current setup?
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« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2005, 04:12:27 PM »
This watermelon has to be a troll. And I think everyone's caught.

If it aint then Kewwensesa doesnt know what he wants.

First he wants to perk EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now he just wants to unperk the fastest and best climbers in the game? lmfao!

Go for it. :aok


Nicely laid bait btw.
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« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2005, 04:13:21 PM »
Morph,

No, he is quite consistant.  He wants more diversity in the MA.
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« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2005, 04:13:49 PM »
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Originally posted by Morpheus
This watermelon has to be a troll. And I think everyone's caught.

If it aint then Kewwensesa doesnt know what he wants.

First perk EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now we just want to unperk the fastest best climbers in the game? lmfao!

Go for it. :aok


Nicely laid bait btw.


If he is fishing, he is sure putting a lot of work into it.  I don't buy it... Most guys fish with dynamite on this BBS

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« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2005, 04:18:20 PM »
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Morph,

No, he is quite consistant.  He wants more diversity in the MA.


You want diversity come to NYC.

You want to play a game? Well then... Guess what? Play a game. Ta da... Aces High.

After all his long hours, even longer posts, hard work that he put into advocating for "PERK THE WHOLE DAM MA!" campainge. He does a 180 and now wants to unperk the fastest most leathal planes in the game?

ROFL.

I call bullchit and I also disagree strongly with unperking them.
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« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2005, 04:19:20 PM »
Why are you trying to force certain planes to be flown more & others less? You want to force the MA to be the Ideal you envision? Just because you don't like it how it is, does not mean others do not like it. Your argument & reasoning are self-serving. Leave it how it is, nothing drastically wrong. Fly what you want & let others fly there own plane, style to. Don't try to force your Ideal vision of a MA onto others.

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« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2005, 04:19:28 PM »
See? If the 38's flaps were fixed this whine wouldnt even be here!



*runs and hides*



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« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2005, 04:23:24 PM »
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Slapshot,

Why do you think that unperking the Ta-152, Spit XIV and F4U-4 would cause that much change in people that the top 8 would have 75% of the kills instead of the top 5 having 50% of the kills?  That seems like odd logic to me.  If those 25% of people were inclined to go to the superbirds, they'd have already done it using the current crop of 5.  Why would the addition of these three suddenly drag them out of their P-47s, Bf109G-6s and Ki-61s?

Some would for sure, me among them, but the Spit XIV has been my favorite WWII fighter for well more than a decade.  AH's setup denies me the chance to ever get good with it or to ever fly it regularly.  (Maybe the new icon system will help me in that regards.  I've not played since that change was made)


Slimm50,

How is that different from the current setup?


It wouldn't happen suddenly ... it would be a trickle effect. People won't suddenly abandon planes, but eventually they would be outclassed on a constant basis and then, in order to compete or stay alive, they will be forced into the 8 wonders of the world or just plain quit.

Unperk the F4U-4 and the F6-F and the other F4U variants will become extinct. Every CV battle will have reems and reems of -4s flowing off the deck. Drop the CHog perks and it becomes even worse.

Unperk the XIV and you will see all those new P-38s that people are just beginning to try out disappear. Avid long time P-38 jocks will have no trouble, but match any P-38 against a XIV at altitude and the 38 is toast.

The idea sucks ... plain and simple ... twist it anyway ya like.
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« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2005, 04:24:34 PM »
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The Chog got perked not long after I started playing AH. We already had the 190D-9, 109G-10, and the La-Cheesy-7. HTC added 800 lbs of wieght to the Chog after it was perked I think, that reduced its performance a bit. I think one of the reasons the Chog was perked was because of its quad hispanos and huge ammo load.


Well, maybe my memory isn't what it should be.  But when the C Hog got perked and modified for worse, it was one of the worse times of my AH experience.  The LA7's were very rare at first.  I then tried the Typhie, and the D Hog.  Gameplay changed so much, that I took about a 2 year break from Aces High.  I wanted to do some other things.  When I came back the arena wasn't even close to the same, new planes, new most popular rides, new gv's.  It was a different game.

I doubt that the C Hog would be that much more popular than the Typhie, it has the 4 Hispano package.  But for gv killing, the Hispano's aren't what they used to be, and rightly so.  The C Hog was great to set about 3 notches of flaps, wheels down, just above stall, and you could pop a Panzer in one pass.  It was a hoot for the pilots, but really unfair for the Panzer drivers.

Like I said, more diversity is what we should be looking for, not less.

As far as I am really concerned just leave the perk system alone.  I think it stinks, but for all it's faults, the game plays well as it is.

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« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2005, 04:26:05 PM »
Do most others really look at perk points & monitor them? Hell, if I want to up a Temp, I don't even think twice to look what the perk price is. Amazed a whole lot of people even care or monitor perkies.