Author Topic: smoking to be banned in brit pubs? (Read 942 times)

indy007 · « **on:** February 27, 2005, 12:45:37 PM »

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Campaigners today warned health chiefs to ban smoking in all pubs – or Britain will be breaching an international tobacco treaty.

As of today, the UK entered a World Health Organisation accord aimed at tackling an annual five million tobacco-related deaths across the globe.

A total of 57 countries have agreed to end tobacco advertising, brandish large health warnings on packaging and protect people from the harmful effects of smoking in public.

Britain has already vowed to end smoking in food-serving outlets in 2008 but has critically stopped short of halting tobacco-use in all pubs and clubs.

Anti-smoking campaign group ASH claims this “illogical” reasoning will put Britain’s health chiefs at odds with designers of the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control.

“The treaty calls for effective measures to protect people from second-hand cigarette smoke,” said director Deborah Arnott.

“The British proposals for 2008 won’t be fully effective.

“There are no grounds for exempting those places where there is the worst tobacco exposure.

“It is completely illogical.

“At its strongest, we could be found to be not complying with the treaty and get thrown out.”

But the Department of Health insisted: “The UK Government is fully complaint with the provisions of the treaty,” a spokeswoman said.

“The Framework Convention on Tobacco Control does not require countries to impose complete smoking bans, but allows for different approaches depending upon national law.

“The public health white paper sets out our policy on smoking in public places and strikes a balance between the rights of those who want to be protected against the harmful effects of other people’s smoking, and the rights of those who choose to smoke.

“We are taking action to deliver a big increase in the number of smoke-free pubs and restaurants in places where food is served while ensuring that people who still want to smoke in public can still do so.”

The accord aims to reduce the number of deaths from tobacco-related illnesses, such as cancer and heart disease, which kill around one smoker every 6.5 seconds.

Tarmac · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:09:34 PM »

Their nanny government is now being nannied by the UN. A double-nanny-whammy.

Furball · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:15:09 PM »

i think the no smoking in public places law is a good one.

why should i (as a non smoker) have to breath in second hand smoke from people when i go out? wake up next morning stinking of cigarette smoke?

Also it will deter people from ever starting smoking in the first place.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:17:22 PM »

Smoking does nobody any good. It's a lot more comfortable to spend a night without sitting the whole time in some addicts toxic fumes.

vorticon · « **Reply #4 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:22:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
i think the no smoking in public places law is a good one.

why should i (as a non smoker) have to breath in second hand smoke from people when i go out? wake up next morning stinking of cigarette smoke?

Also it will deter people from ever starting smoking in the first place.

its a pub, whining about smoke in a pub is like whining about water in a lake...which we should get rid of, god knows whos been peeing in there...not to mention the fish

Furball · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:25:33 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
its a pub, whining about smoke in a pub is like whining about water in a lake...which we should get rid of, god knows whos been peeing in there...not to mention the fish

it doesn't really bother me, i have just accepted that when i go out to bars and clubs i will come back reeking of cigarettes - but it shouldnt be that way... i agree with the law.

Darkish · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:50:09 PM »

Source: BBC news here (admittedly 7 years out of date

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"Road accidents are the single largest killer of men aged between 15 and 44."

If one is really concerned about being killed by someone else there are better places to start. The hypocrisy spewed about health sickens me. Hell, drain the planet dry of natural resources, pump filth into the atmosphere, bury radioactive sludge with a half life of 500,000 years in concrete that degrades in less than 100, drive a vehicle that would be hard put to be better designed to kill pedestrians - but god forbid you have a smoke in my presence!

GO GO PETA!!!

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:59:30 PM »

Already a law here in NY.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2005, 02:03:04 PM »

This thread will divide the addicts and non-addicts to two distinct groups.

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2005, 02:05:41 PM »

smokers stink!

Martlet · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2005, 02:05:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
This thread will divide the addicts and non-addicts to two distinct groups.

Not true. I'm a non smoker. I don't think the gov't should tell me how to run my business, though. If people don't want to come to my bar because I allow smoking, don't. Go to a smoke free bar.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2005, 02:13:09 PM »

Didn't know you're a brit Martlet.

Tarmac · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2005, 02:13:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Not true. I'm a non smoker. I don't think the gov't should tell me how to run my business, though. If people don't want to come to my bar because I allow smoking, don't. Go to a smoke free bar.

Ditto.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2005, 02:16:43 PM »

Without government regulation there will never be smoke free bars because all the addicts will boycott them anyway. Your idealism doesn't always work so well.

JB88 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2005, 02:28:25 PM »

i quit smoking, but i disagree with government mandates like these in private establishments.