Where are the clowns who said we are in a recession?

[culero]

Originally posted by Steve
You'll have to show me where I said that.

Fair enough, I concede this point.


 

Originally posted by Steve

Well, if you construe that me not wanting to pay for the healthcare of illegal aliens is being bigoted, then yes, I am bigoted.

No, I don't blame you for not wanting to pay for others' health care. I feel the same way.

I'm just getting the impression that rather than try to understand what's driving this problem (economics/poverty), and are focusing on a class of people to blame. That's what makes me fear you might need to do some self-inspection.


 

Originally posted by Steve

Can you establish this with any backing?  I cannot speak for the rest of the nation but in AZ, illegal aliens are the main culprit.

I read it on the internet.

Seriously, if you think there isn't a significant segment of the legal US population that lives below the poverty line, you have a lot to learn. Many poor people can't afford health care. Its a problem we as a society should be aware of, and trying to fix.

culero

[Martlet]

Originally posted by culero
Fair enough, I concede this point.


 


No, I don't blame you for not wanting to pay for others' health care. I feel the same way.

I'm just getting the impression that rather than try to understand what's driving this problem (economics/poverty), and are focusing on a class of people to blame. That's what makes me fear you might need to do some self-inspection.


 
 

I read it on the internet.

Seriously, if you think there isn't a significant segment of the legal US population that lives below the poverty line, you have a lot to learn. Many poor people can't afford health care. Its a problem we as a society should be aware of, and trying to fix.

culero

And we can start fixing it by tossing illegals back over the fence and refusing them treatment at hospitals.

[Steve]

Culero, I'm starting to think we are arguing the same point, lol.

I do not feel that illegal aliens are the SOLE source of our fiscal woes as far as healthcare goes.  What I do know is that they are a very LARGE part of the problem.

Additionally, I'm less inclined to piss and moan about pitching in for healthcare for a deserving indigent than I am for an illegal alien.

I hope you know what I'm trying to say if my point is unclear.

[storch]

Originally posted by Martlet
And we can start fixing it by tossing illegals back over the fence and refusing them treatment at hospitals.

ok.  but first who will plant my annuals next month?  who will pick my tomatos? aside from that who will do all this proposed tossing? you? that imbecile steve?

the fact is that unless we are prepared to seal the southern border including the entire Gulf of Mexico and Florida's east coast we will never stem the tide.  the opportunities in America are a powerful draw for anyone living in the surrounding third world mess.

some of you guys appear to be xenophobic, racist and incredibly nieve.

next time you consume any agricultural products ponder how it made it's way to your table.

next time you order construction services for your home specify to the contractor that only American born English speaking people are to be employed on your job.
occasionally some steve requests that from us ("well i don't want anyone here that i can't speak to directly" or words to that effect) those are the stupid handsomehunkes that we won't work for.

 

[Steve]

some of you guys appear to be xenophobic, racist and incredibly nieve

Aren't you the ******* that was saying I can't spell?


BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

[Steve]

So Storch just so I understand correctly, you believe that it is ok for anyone to cross our borders, regardless of the laws of our country and the incredible cost to our nation.  Is that correct?

This is primarily so you can have cheap tomatos, you don't have to plant your own flora, and so you can have cheap laborors.  Is that correct?

[storch]

Originally posted by Steve
Aren't you the ******* that was saying I can't spell?


BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

yes I'm the man who said that.  resorting to aterisks for your profanity now?   be brave, say it loud ( you're dumb and you're proud)  ignorant products of siblings mating need to express themselves too.  say "hi" to your uncle/dad for me.

[Steve]

Lol storch, I didn't put the asterisks in, the system did.  With every post you're stupidity becomes ever more obvious.

You chide me for misspelling when I merely used internet slang yet you are the one with spelling errors.  A little salt in your argument is fine but I can see since you've nothing left but insults that we are done here.   Have a nice day!

[storch]

Originally posted by Steve
So Storch just so I understand correctly, you believe that it is ok for anyone to cross our borders, regardless of the laws of our country and the incredible cost to our nation.  Is that correct?

This is primarily so you can have cheap tomatos, you don't have to plant your own flora, and so you can have cheap laborors.  Is that correct?

not at all.  what I'm saying is that it is a fact that they are here and nothing can be done about it.  no one holding an elected position is willing to touch the issue.

I recall an incident a few years back when an illegal in Orange County was shooting his pistol on private property.  the gunfire drew the attention of an off duty Orange County deputy that went to investigate.  The deputy asked the man to put away his weapon and leave the premesis.  The illegal pointed his weapon at the deputy but did not discharge it.  the deputy shot him dead.  This created an internation bruhaha culminating with Billy Jeff (#42) apologizing to the Mexican potentate over the incident.

How on earth are we going to solve the problem when the least of our concerns is that they are merely breaking immigration laws.

The coyotes (human smugglers) routinely engage INS personnel with automatic weapons and as I understand it our agents are not allowed to shoot back.

I think the solution is work permits and taxation.  don't get me started on national health care either.

have you seen the price of tomatos lately?  we're paying around $2 per pound for the premium tomatos.  

[Martlet]

Originally posted by storch
ok.  but first who will plant my annuals next month?  who will pick my tomatos? aside from that who will do all this proposed tossing? you? that imbecile steve?

the fact is that unless we are prepared to seal the southern border including the entire Gulf of Mexico and Florida's east coast we will never stem the tide.  the opportunities in America are a powerful draw for anyone living in the surrounding third world mess.

some of you guys appear to be xenophobic, racist and incredibly nieve.

next time you consume any agricultural products ponder how it made it's way to your table.

next time you order construction services for your home specify to the contractor that only American born English speaking people are to be employed on your job.
occasionally some steve requests that from us ("well i don't want anyone here that i can't speak to directly" or words to that effect) those are the stupid handsomehunkes that we won't work for.

 

You're confusing independent arguments.

First, the government should be doing the tossing.  They're neglect in their duties.   Expecting the Government to enforce the law isn't racist, xenophobic, or naive.  That's a non-argument thrown up as a smoke screen because it's idiocy to argue in favor of illegal immigration.

If a person's first act in this country is to violate it's laws, I have no use for them.  They can pick vegetables in Mexico.

Here's some statistics for California along:

Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that California's illegal immigrant population is costing the state's taxpayers more than $10.5 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration

10.5 billion a year on criminals that should be tossed back over the fence.  In ONE state.

The annual fiscal burden from those three areas of state expenditures amounts to about $1,183 per household headed by a native-born resident.

Each HOUSEHOLD writes a check for twelve hundred bucks a year to educate, treat, and incarcerate people who shouldn't even be here.

The fiscal costs of illegal immigration do not end with these three major cost areas. The total costs of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas such as special English instruction, school feeding programs, or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were added into the equation.

This doesn't even touch upon the 10 billion sent back to Mexico annually.  Stolen from our economy.

You're "facts" just don't add up, as I've shown for the third time in this thread.

http://www.fairus.org/

[storch]

Originally posted by Martlet
You're confusing independent arguments.

First, the government should be doing the tossing.  They're neglect in their duties.   Expecting the Government to enforce the law isn't racist, xenophobic, or naive.  That's a non-argument thrown up as a smoke screen because it's idiocy to argue in favor of illegal immigration.

If a person's first act in this country is to violate it's laws, I have no use for them.  They can pick vegetables in Mexico.

Here's some statistics for California along:



10.5 billion a year on criminals that should be tossed back over the fence.  In ONE state.



Each HOUSEHOLD writes a check for twelve hundred bucks a year to educate, treat, and incarcerate people who shouldn't even be here.



This doesn't even touch upon the 10 billion sent back to Mexico annually.  Stolen from our economy.

You're "facts" just don't add up, as I've shown for the third time in this thread.

http://www.fairus.org/

Let me simplify it for you, T H E  G O V E R N M E N T  W I L L  N O T   D O  A N Y T H I N G  A B O U T  I L L E G A L  I M M I G R A T I O N.  The hispanic vote is too well organized.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by storch
Let me simplify it for you, T H E  G O V E R N M E N T  W I L L  N O T   D O  A N Y T H I N G  A B O U T  I L L E G A L  I M M I G R A T I O N.

That's not true at all.

This administration may not, but as the issue becomes more and more important, some administration will.

That being said, it has absolutely nothing to do with your arguement, or mine.

[storch]

Originally posted by Martlet
That's not true at all.

This administration may not, but as the issue becomes more and more important, some administration will.

That being said, it has absolutely nothing to do with your arguement, or mine.

Dude, of course it does.  look if they weren't here then none of those problems (if you choose to view them as such) would not exist.

personally i don't view them as problems.

1. they are performing work that needs doing and no one here wants to do it!!!
2. the money they earn and send back to their home countries ends up back here in the form of purchases made in the U.S.  perhaps because you live in a non gateway city you miss that point.  go to any major electrodomestic product marketer here in S. Fl and ask randomly where this or such is going to. you would be amazed.

It's a reciprocating global economy.  the south of our borders market is important to us.  moreso here in S. Florida.

There are whole cities here Dade County where 90%+ of the citizenry floated across the Florida straights or crossed the frontier less than 20 years ago illegally and are now tax paying homeowners.

The United States is no different today than at any other period in it's history.  If you are of anglo descent you are the descendant of the prototypical illegal immigrant.

admit it you just hate the enchiladas.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by storch
Dude, of course it does.  look if they weren't here then none of those problems (if you choose to view them as such) would not exist.

personally i don't view them as problems.

1. they are performing work that needs doing and no one here wants to do it!!!
2. the money they earn and send back to their home countries ends up back here in the form of purchases made in the U.S.  perhaps because you live in a non gateway city you miss that point.  go to any major electrodomestic product marketer here in S. Fl and ask randomly where this or such is going to. you would be amazed.

It's a reciprocating global economy.  the south of our borders market is important to us.  moreso here in S. Florida.

There are whole cities here Dade County where 90%+ of the citizenry floated across the Florida straights or crossed the frontier less than 20 years ago illegally and are now tax paying homeowners.

The United States is no different today than at any other period in it's history.  If you are of anglo descent you are the descendant of the prototypical illegal immigrant.

admit it you just hate the enchiladas.

1.  They aren't performing work that no one wants to do.  That's a false statement.   FAIR estimates over 1.8 million Americans are displaced annually.

2.  That's another incorrect statement.  I'd love to see where you get that information.  They send the money HOME.  

I don't hate the enchiladas.  I hate the over 300 million dollars border hospitals lose to illegals annually.

I hate the 7.4 billion we spend annually on their education.

I hate the 300,000 anchor babies born hear every year.

etc etc.

It's amazing you don't see those as problems.

[Steve]

Storch, your last post  to me really has some good points.

no one holding an elected position is willing to touch the issue.

True, and it sux.

1. they are performing work that needs doing and no one here wants to do it!!!

Think this through.  They are performing work no-one wants only because the wages are so low.  The wages are so low because they can be, because there is an illegal workforce willing to work for low wages.  If the illegals were not here, wages would have to go up to attract laborors. Prices would go up on several/many items but so what?  The laborors who are now making more money are documented, tax paying consumers in our economy.  They actually become an asset to our tax burden instead of the drain that illegals are.  Additionally, these higher paid laborors will have more money to buy things here and thus will further aid the economy.  Please take a moment or two to consider this.