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« on: March 05, 2005, 10:08:58 AM »
Gentlemen,

With 107 Allied players and 95 Axis players the following took place.

The only Axis target A12 was destroyed for 200 Axis points.
The three Allied targets were mostly destroyed.

The Allies shot down:
38 Fw-190’s = 380 points
11 Bf-109’s = 110 points
8 Me-110’s = 120 points
1 Ju88 = 15 points
Destroyed 2.5 targets = 500 points
Defense points = 0
Total = 1025 Allied points

The Axis shot down:
17 P-47’s = 170 points
27 P-51’s = 250 points
23 B-26’s = 345 points
7 P-38’s = 70 points
Destroyed 1 target = 200 points
Defense points = 100
Total = 1135 points

*Defense points are given to a side if they are able to keep an enemy from destroying a target. For example had the Allied been unable to destroy the flak factory the Axis would have received the 200 points for it. Had the Allied only destroyed ½ the target then each side would have received 100 points.
 
A difference of only 90 points. For all practical purposes it was a draw. The Allied were very successful in destroying their targets, but at a great loss of aircraft. The Axis were also successful in destroying their target, but had lost fewer aircraft in part due to the fact they are mostly defending. If the Allied can achieve success in destroying their targets in frames 2 and 3, but keep their aircraft losses down then they should be able to pull out a win. If not then it could be anyone’s game. :)

As always if you see any errors or know of scoring anomalies please post them here and I will adjust accordingly.

Aces:
JB73 – 6 kills
93gt – 5 kills
DmdRodan – 5 kills
 
Top Bomber Pilots:
Kikbts – 25 objects
Robo – 16 objects
MtnDewCH – 15 objects
RUKCH – 12 objects
gOOseCH – 12 objects


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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2005, 12:48:44 PM »
to all responsible!

It was alot o fun!:aok

BTW....I killed a P47 in my JU88...:D

I wish there had been a secondary target for us tho. Either there were no other important targets, or it was an oversight given the short time our AXIS last minute CO had to prepare. Just an observation. I also....1st time in a level bomber in FSO....wish I had known ahead of time that the "old" bombsite was in use.

Now I know .

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2005, 02:49:43 PM »
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I wish there had been a secondary target for us tho. Either there were no other important targets, or it was an oversight...
I know what you mean, a few Allied pilots pulled ahead and plastered the Ack Factory leaving only scattered buildings up for the rest of us.  Our secondary target had already been destroyed even before we drop on the primary so most of us still had bombs or dropped extras into the primary just to lighten the load.

Of course you guys in the Ju88s have a bigger bomb load then a B-17 if they let you carry a full load.  I bet that really was frustrating.

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2005, 07:02:15 PM »
My apologies for that gents.  I don't think TeeeRex expected the targets at 12 to go down so quickly. :) I gather the sweep and initial strike went very well.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2005, 01:21:28 PM »
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My apologies for that gents.  I don't think TeeeRex expected the targets at 12 to go down so quickly. :) I gather the sweep and initial strike went very well.


None neccessary. And a BIG to Teerex for stepping up at the 12th hour!

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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2005, 03:27:24 PM »
I am checking the logs now, but I know our squad shot down more than 1 Ju88.  I think we had 10 actually.

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2005, 03:30:38 PM »
Yep, I am not sure where your off, but I know the USMC shot down 10 JU88's.  Check our logs.  You have total Allied kills at 58.  It should be 62 according to the logs.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2005, 02:59:57 PM »
Will peek again. :)
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2005, 04:20:08 PM »
You were right Tracer! 10 Ju88's were shot down. My mistake.  I don't know if I forgot the "zero" or what. :)

The Allies shot down:
38 Fw-190’s = 380 points
11 Bf-109’s = 110 points
8 Me-110’s = 120 points
10 Ju88 = 150 points
Destroyed 2.5 targets = 500 points
Defense points = 0
Total = 1260 Allied points

The Axis shot down:
17 P-47’s = 170 points
27 P-51’s = 250 points
23 B-26’s = 345 points
7 P-38’s = 70 points
Destroyed 1 target = 200 points
Defense points = 100
Total = 1135 points

Difference is 125 points.  Close, still very close. :)
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2005, 06:16:55 PM »
Not to nit-pick...............well, ok nit-picking here, shouldn't 27 downed P-51s = 270, not 250?
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2005, 08:36:44 AM »
Thanks JB42. I normally make mistakes, just not so many. ;)

The Allies shot down:
38 Fw-190’s = 380 points
11 Bf-109’s = 110 points
8 Me-110’s = 120 points
10 Ju88 = 150 points
Destroyed 2.5 targets = 500 points
Defense points = 0
Total = 1260 Allied points

The Axis shot down:
17 P-47’s = 170 points
27 P-51’s = 270 points
23 B-26’s = 345 points
7 P-38’s = 70 points
Destroyed 1 target = 200 points
Defense points = 100
Total = 1155 points
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2005, 01:11:09 PM »
Lol daddog. No problem, just amazed at how close this is. with frame 2 results, the Axis holds a hair-thin lead of 5 points. Frame 3 ought to be a doosy. :D
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2005, 03:47:16 PM »
:)

Just saw a post by JB73 that you guys flew for about 90 minutes in frame 2 without any action. :( Sorry about that.

I will post a reminder to all C.O.'s that the targets need to be hit in the first hour.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2005, 06:02:55 PM »
Actually that's not correct. We saw plenty of action within the first 30 minutes. Mostly fighters using the time to either bounce or run us out of fuel. It's the bomber that came in way late. The crux of the complaint is the tactics the Allies use consedering the limitations that the FSO has to have. Something like this:

We all know the superior fuel advantage the Allies have. Can't blame them for trying to use this to their advantage. It has been a long since practice of basically running the LW out of fuel in order to hit targets realitively untouched. But the limitations of how things are run in the FSO make this very very frustrating.

As it is now, because of the rules and, let's be honest, less than honest people, LW is forced to go wheels up while Allied bombers are still rolling down the runways in England. That never happened, and if it did, by pure coincedence. In RL, sweeps and scouts would report activity along with radar installations to obtain information on IB enemies. Only then would LW interceptors be scrambled.

Now before anyone puts forth the arguement that LW could launch and wait on the runway, there is the entertainment factor of a game, not real life. Nobody wants to sit idle on a runway for the first 30-45 minutes of the event.

I think what 73 was getting at is in order to both simulate some RL action but to keep the attention of an A/D/D community, it should behove the Allies to attack their targets with the vigor and voracity that they are capable of. Not to dilly-dally behind the notion that we can do this, so we should.
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2005, 11:34:56 PM »
In the interest of fairness, I must mention now that there is an error now in the results for frame 1 in the Allies favor.  You now show 67 total aircraft destroyed by the Allies.  I think the Logs show it should be 62.  All I know is that 10 of our kills were Ju88's.  You will have to recount the rest.  I think the Allies score is overstated by about 50 points.  Sorry to send you back to the drawing board again.  :)