109's were really that bad?!!!

[Schaden]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
Imagine if you hadda fly just German planes all the time. You'd be on the losing end of the war...even in the game.

Ren
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DAG

I fly LW either 190D9's, or 109G2/G10 90% of the time and for what it's worth in fighter rankings I'm about 25th this tour.

[mechanic]

so what, im 30 something and i dont even try for rank.

post films if you really want to prove the 109.

[Panzzer]

Originally posted by plank
I remember seeing something on the military channel recently about an allied bombing of a ball-bearing factory that nearly crippled the lufftwaffe. I can't recall the date that this occured but I do remember them stating that if there had been a follow-up raid, it would have been catostrophic.

The Schweinfurt raids on 17 August and 14 October 1943.

Schweinfurt contained five ball bearing factories essential to German fighter production and it was believed that their destruction would cause a bottleneck in the process.

Out of the 376 bombers (8th USAAF) sent on the first raid (230 to Schweinfurt, 146 to nearby Regensburg), the largest number yet dispatched by the USAAF, 147 were lost. On the second raid 60 were destroyed out of 291, and 142 were damaged, a loss rate of 19%.

The raids prompted the Germans to move some of their ball-bearing production elsewhere. Damaged factories were quickly rebuilt, double shifts were introduced, and production returned to normal.

The Big Week campaign (Feb 1944) of bombing the ball-bearing factories didn't succeed much better, little long-term damage was done with a high loss rate.

[bustr]

What happened 60 years ago happened. Be thankfull the German leadership didn't make those other better decisions that they could have.

I'm not sure why we argue these same dead horses over and over again about our favorite rides. Sounds like a sports bar in here. Our current AH good sticks in LW planes win all the time because they have chosen to be good in those planes. Just as our players who favor american rides, british, and so forth win all the time. We become good sticks in our rides because we have imortal life spans in the game. If shane flew nothing but a C47 on the deck for 6 months, he would probably learn how to make anyone in the game consistantly auger trying to shoot him down.

How would our american squaderons have faired in ETO if most of  the veteren german pilots had been alive to meet them enmass on every mission over europe along with better LW strategic air controling and planning?

[mechanic]

Originally posted by bustr
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How would our american squaderons have faired in ETO if most of  the veteren german pilots had been alive to meet them enmass on every mission over europe along with better LW strategic air controling and planning?

they would have had to have flown spitfires or hurricanes

maybe the odd jug.

[Mime]

[bockko]

as much as macho aviators laugh at supply guys, supply availibility is usually what determines who wins or loses. Once the US was in the war the allies could replace losses, both equipment and personnel, with relatively modern machines and reasonably trained men. The axis could not keep up the pace, especially in the air in late 43 and into the middle of 44. The grinder was running and the allies could afford to keep pouring men and machines into the fight whereas the axis couldnt.

[wetrat]

Originally posted by mechanic
so what, im 30 something and i dont even try for rank.

post films if you really want to prove the 109.

You can't compare our gamey flying to what went on in WWII. You don't break a sweat dogfighting in AH.

[plank]

Originally posted by Panzzer
The Schweinfurt raids on 17 August and 14 October 1943.

Schweinfurt contained five ball bearing factories essential to German fighter production and it was believed that their destruction would cause a bottleneck in the process.

Out of the 376 bombers (8th USAAF) sent on the first raid (230 to Schweinfurt, 146 to nearby Regensburg), the largest number yet dispatched by the USAAF, 147 were lost. On the second raid 60 were destroyed out of 291, and 142 were damaged, a loss rate of 19%.

The raids prompted the Germans to move some of their ball-bearing production elsewhere. Damaged factories were quickly rebuilt, double shifts were introduced, and production returned to normal.

The Big Week campaign (Feb 1944) of bombing the ball-bearing factories didn't succeed much better, little long-term damage was done with a high loss rate.

Thanks for the info Panzzer, that's the very raid I was thinking of. Obviously the military channel blew it a little out of proportion.

[Guppy35]

You guys are all nuts.  The P40 won the airwar

All the Allies flew it in every theater of the war.

Where's Honch when we need em.  He'd tell ya!

Dan

[syncrII]

Contrary to popular belief bombing did not do much to shorten the war. Air superiority and the force of Aliied might on the ground made short work of the German Army. When the Allies hit mainlad Europe and established a foothold the war ended quite quickly and had not some of the leaders messed up it would have been over much sooner.

moin im chris3

bombing did not do much to shorter the war????????????
if the aliied didnt bomb all ouer big and medium citys and factorys. the war had be much longer. you say the air superiority and the force of aliied finish up us. thats tru, because if a aliied soldir see something havy in front of him he called for air suport and he get it som minet later.
did you ever think about how the allied get to owen the sky over europ? it was the dayly masiv bomber atacks over germany wich hiting ouer suply factoris ok thats not the point because 44 we get the highst produktion of everything (without fuel), but the point is that the luftwaffe loses many mans and airplans to these masive raids. without these masive raids, it had been very hard for the allies to get the sky over europ and last over germany. and the D-Day had been unposible.
what killed all the tigers in france? i didnt think that shermans did it often i sugest thay were manynly hit by allied airsuport. and if the Luftwaffe had been more offensive these days (for example Tigers with air suport and cap) the allied were disable to do much against the german army. but because of the daily big bomber raids the allied was in that lucky position to owen the sky. and we lose the war much earlyer because of that fact.
cu chris3

[Kweassa]

America won war 'couse of pony?America won war?How old are you?
When p51 entered service LW was already running like hell from Russians.

 ATA, that was Blau's joke.

 It's a jab intended at the P-51 fanboys.

[ATA]

Sorry,it's little late but mesage  deleted:rolleyes:

[BlauK]

ATA, I am sorry for pulling your leg. I just could not help regressing to the level of the first post in this thread

[Eagler]

Originally posted by syncrII
Contrary to popular belief bombing did not do much to shorten the war. Air superiority and the force of Aliied might on the ground made short work of the German Army. When the Allies hit mainlad Europe and established a foothold the war ended quite quickly and had not some of the leaders messed up it would have been over much sooner.

moin im chris3

bombing did not do much to shorter the war????????????
if the aliied didnt bomb all ouer big and medium citys and factorys. the war had be much longer. you say the air superiority and the force of aliied finish up us. thats tru, because if a aliied soldir see something havy in front of him he called for air suport and he get it som minet later.
did you ever think about how the allied get to owen the sky over europ? it was the dayly masiv bomber atacks over germany wich hiting ouer suply factoris ok thats not the point because 44 we get the highst produktion of everything (without fuel), but the point is that the luftwaffe loses many mans and airplans to these masive raids. without these masive raids, it had been very hard for the allies to get the sky over europ and last over germany. and the D-Day had been unposible.
what killed all the tigers in france? i didnt think that shermans did it often i sugest thay were manynly hit by allied airsuport. and if the Luftwaffe had been more offensive these days (for example Tigers with air suport and cap) the allied were disable to do much against the german army. but because of the daily big bomber raids the allied was in that lucky position to owen the sky. and we lose the war much earlyer because of that fact.
cu chris3

other way of saying what I said