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Offline Gunslinger

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« on: March 10, 2005, 08:45:49 PM »
OK gents,

Here's the SITREP.  Saturday I'm gonna attempt to smoke me two racks of ribs in my Brinkman "el cheapo" MOD V 2.1.12b

I've come to realize I don't do well with charcoal...that said I modded my brinkman to use the stand for my turkey fryer.  Tonite I tested it and with very little gass it holds 225 degrees perfectly.

Another mod I did was popped out the "warm" guage on the lid and installed an oven thermometer.

In addition I got a smokers tin (wich really isnt tin...it's more like a big cast iron box) that fits perfectly on the grill for the turkey fryer.
I also got me two rib rack holders wich will hold three good size racks a piece.  (plus 4 potatoes but I'm not sure they go well smoked)

OK here's were the fun starts

2 pork racks (not baby back)

Prep work:  

I was thinking about marinading them in the fridge overnight but can't decide what to do.  Is marinating really nescesary when your smoking?

Rub:

I'm gonna use the rubb I used last time.  It was a concoction of houshold spices and prepackages.  This is for the family so I can't go to spicy

Cook Time:

IIRC 225 degrees for 6 hours should work...if not correct me pls.

Here's were I need some help.....

Should I keep the water pan in there?  I was thinking yes because it maintains the moisture level in the smoker

Does it do anything to add chips to the water pan?

Am I missing anything? (I know I didn't mention beer....I figure this job is about 8 beers worth of work :) )


Overall I'm pretty happy with the test run today.  The mod will alow for good temperature control and ease of adding new chips.

Offline Raubvogel

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 01:21:10 AM »
Yes, marinate em. It makes a difference. I like marinating them in a mix of Dr Pepper, beer, bourbon, and some of the rub you're going to use.

Keep the water pan filled up so you don't end up with pork jerky.

I don't get too worried about temperature, only use the simple POS thermometer that came with the Brinkmann. I cook em until the meat is pulled back from the end of the bone a good bit and they pull apart real easily. Most of the time that comes out to 4-5 hours.

I've been using this rub. You can leave the cayenne out if you don't want too much spice.

4 tablespoons of powdered sugar  
2 tablespoons of paprika
1.5 tablespoons seasoning salt
1 tablespoon black pepper
1 tablespoon cayenne pepper
1 tablespoon onion powder
1.5 teaspoon chili powder

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2005, 02:34:17 AM »
I tend to put a can a beer or two in when smoking pork butts or shoulders..10-12 lbs @200 to 225 = 8 to 10 hours...on ribs make sure to remove membrane....its a pain in the butt ,but ribs come out tenderer.........oink!

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2005, 08:17:02 AM »
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I tend to put a can a beer or two in when smoking pork butts or shoulders..10-12 lbs @200 to 225 = 8 to 10 hours...on ribs make sure to remove membrane....its a pain in the butt ,but ribs come out tenderer.........oink!


what part is the membrane??  you have to excuse my ignorance :D

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2005, 08:31:32 AM »
it`ll only be on one side and will be pretty obvious if you look at it closely..think its what would be the inside of ribs or the bottom if you may...use your fingers to peel off...lot a peeps cook it with it on ,i just prefer to remove it, plus rubs or marinades soak in more evenly..good luck...oink!

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2005, 08:35:43 AM »
Yeah, marinate them. Marinate them about 8-12 hours if you can, then dry them off with paper towel, put on the rub and let that sit on them for at least 2-3 hours to soak in.

My last marinade was some apple juice, a cheap beer, a couple of tablespoons of chopped garlic and a healthy pinch of Herbs de Provence (a combo of about 7 dried herbs, available in grocery stores).

Chips in the water pan do nothing. Delete.

I do think it helps to remove the membrane. That pretty much stops the smoke from coming through on that side.

Go here to see a picture of the membrane and find out how to prep your ribs. It won't link to the BBS; I guess the owner is funny about that.

Removing The Membrane

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Start by removing the membrane from the bone side of the slab. This is sometimes referred to as "skinning the ribs". The membrane is a layer of stretchy material that makes for tough eating and inhibits the penetration of rub and smoke into the meat.

Some people (and some barbecue restaurants) skip this step altogether, while others score the membrane with a sharp knife instead of removing it. Personally, I believe removing the membrane is one of the real secrets to creating great ribs.

To remove the membrane, use a butter knife to pry up an edge of the membrane at the sternum end of the slab--the end with the longest bones. Some people find that a screwdriver or oyster knife works well for this task. Use whatever tool works best for you.

Once you get a small area pried up, grasp it with a paper towel and pull it off toward the other end of the slab, as shown in the picture. If you're careful, you can get the membrane off in a single piece, but sometimes it shreds as you pull it off. That's OK, just pry up those remaining bits with your knife and remove them.

You'll notice a thin layer of membrane-like material beneath the membrane you have just removed. This material is what holds the meat and bones together. Just leave it alone--we've removed the tough stuff we were after.

If you purchase ribs from a full-service meat department or butcher shop, ask them to remove the membranes for you.


Definitely use the water pan. Usually, I pour my marinade in the pan and then top up with plain water. Gives it a bit of aromatic goodness.

Enjoy.
By the way, that site Cooking Topics is an excellent resource. I read it now and then. There's always something I missed and the guy knows how to turn out good BBQ. Of course, you can always improve on his stuff.  ;)

When are the ribs done? What Raub said. The meat pulls back from the end of the bone and if you grab said end and give it a twist the whole rib will follow. When you bite into it, the meat will surrender and slide off the bone pretty easily. If you are gnawing the meat off the bone and it's resisting.. it's not done yet.

Heres' a Rub from that Virtual Webe site. You can always cut down on the pepper as Raub said. Rubs are personal; you'll find something you like but you'll still keep experimenting just for fun. I never use MSG btw.

Best Ribs In The Universe Rub - 1/4 Batch
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1/4 cup sugar
1/4 cup non-iodized table salt
1/8 cup brown sugar, dried
4 teaspoons chili powder
2 teaspoons ground cumin
1 teaspoon Accent (MSG)
1 teaspoon cayenne pepper
1 teaspoon black pepper, freshly ground
1 teaspoon granulated garlic powder
1 teaspoon onion powder
« Last Edit: March 11, 2005, 08:39:00 AM by Toad »
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2005, 09:10:13 AM »
dammit! Now I'm going to have to go get a couple of slabs tonight. :D

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2005, 09:12:36 AM »
Yeah, the weather is going to be nice.... and I've got nothing on the schedule..... and Guns is going to be munching down on some ribs too......

Time to go to Costco!
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2005, 09:42:32 AM »
Coca-Cola is a great marinade for pork. The acidity of it tenderizes the meat really well, and it gives it a nice, sweet flavor. Heard about it being used like that, but didn't believe it until I saw Iron Chef Sakai do it during the piglet battle.

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2005, 08:32:47 PM »
thanks toad.  I re-read my last attempt at cooking ribs and plan on learning from my mistakes.

Hopfully using propane will help me out a bit so I can attend to some yardwork knowing that I have a steady temp on the meat.

Unfortunatly I hurt my tail bone today at work and it was painfull enough to drive home so I didn't go to the store I'm gonna go first thing in the morning but that means I can only marinade for 3-4 hours.  I guess a little is better than nothing.  

I'm actually cooking 3 racks now SO does that change the cook time?  I noticed in the last thread most recommended 200 degrees for about 4 hours?????


last question....If I check them with a meat thermometer what's the cooked temp for them?

TYIA for all the ideas so far.

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005, 08:58:16 PM »
A little marinade is good but I think you need a little time for the rub to "rub in" too. So, I wouldn't worry about it all that much. I've done them without marinade.

If you pack the smoker with meat it will increase a bit.

I've never checked it with a thermometer. I always use the "pull" test.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2005, 02:18:19 AM »
Thermometers are just too much like work for me. Just give it 4 hours, then look at the racks. The meat should be creeping up the bone about 3/4 inch or so. Try to pull a bone out. If it slides right out, they're done.

I've done em without marinade...but been disappointed. They didn't turn out "bad", just not as good. There is no "bad" BBQ :)

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2005, 02:40:20 AM »
Baby back ribs (not too burnt though), um nothing more satisfying than chowing down some of those. Um Um.

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2005, 02:53:41 AM »
Water Pan;

Fill it with sand about 3/4 cover with foil.
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2005, 02:57:23 AM »
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
thanks toad.  I re-read my last attempt at cooking ribs and plan on learning from my mistakes.

Hopfully using propane will help me out a bit so I can attend to some yardwork knowing that I have a steady temp on the meat.

Unfortunatly I hurt my tail bone today at work and it was painfull enough to drive home so I didn't go to the store I'm gonna go first thing in the morning but that means I can only marinade for 3-4 hours.  I guess a little is better than nothing.  

I'm actually cooking 3 racks now SO does that change the cook time?  I noticed in the last thread most recommended 200 degrees for about 4 hours?????


last question....If I check them with a meat thermometer what's the cooked temp for them?

TYIA for all the ideas so far.


250 - 275 or so is best pork rib temp. They are done when they are done. When you can pick up the rack and fold it over and it starts to break then its done but YMMV.


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http://www.eaglequest.com/~bbq/faq2/toc.html

                 
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