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Offline Goth

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« on: March 11, 2005, 06:51:31 AM »
Aside from the recent incident that occured on "the other boards", I'm curious to know what constitues the difference between art and porn. Some porn I've seen looks good enough to be art, and some art I see is just porn.

Please, no pics to illustrate unless it's been Skuzzified.

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 06:57:39 AM »
You said it : it's in your eyes/brain.

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2005, 07:19:06 AM »
an interesting story told by one of my favorite art history teachers told of one of each new pope's first responsibilities is to decide whether or not to put fig leafs over the naughty bits on the statues in rome.

they actually have these painted fig leafs with clips on the back that have been attached from time to time through history.

she swore it was true.

looks like JP2 is about to kick the bucket soon so well have to wait and see what the next one decides.

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personally, i have always thought suggestion was more sophisticated and sexy.  film nior was classic in this manner.  nothing more to turn a man off than screenwide stubblepuss...but hey thats just me.  i have no idea where to draw the line, but i'll be the first to tell you if i think it is good art or not.

its really quite variable and context has alot to do with it as well.

most artists who run out of ideas but need to be famous make a run to the poop box and make something shocking.  porn or not...its usually bad art because it is played out and un-interesting.

shock is art when it means something.  

it is rare that it does.

but it does happen.  and it can be quite beautiful.

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what was the incident to which you refer?
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2005, 07:25:23 AM »
Yup. its all in the eyes of the beholder.

Some things they call "art" to me are every bit as questionable as calling porn art.

A circle overlapping and underlapping a triangle and a square of different colors is not anything I consider to be "art" either.

One time a very very long time ago I worked at a place that was doing some rennovation and one of the things they were getting rid of was a picture just like the one I just described.

Well a buddy of mine took it downstairs and painted over it white. then took all sorts of different colored paint and just randomly spattered them all over it and presented it to the deptartment manager as a goof.

The guy loved it and asked us if he could have it.
We were like "by my guest"

A couple days later he calls us into his office to (proudly)show us he hung it on his wall and wanted to know what we thought of it.

We looked at it and almost as if we planned it that way (we didnt) we both said at the same time "Its upside down"

Far as I know he still has it LMAO

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2005, 07:37:49 AM »
the overlapping squares (mondrian), the splatter paintings (pollack) even solid fields of color (rothko) or a bicycle wheel stuck in a stool (duchamp)  were important to thier time.  they were meant to break down the way in which art could be presented.  when they emerged, they were railing against the academy thinking that had drained the life out of art for ages.  in many cases, when you really look at them, they are quite beautiful, but often only in context.  what is great about your story is that you found something and made it into art.  duchamp would have been proud.  probably prouder if you left it upside down.

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van gogh was one of those artists which i never really cared for until i held up my hand like a telescope and blocked out everything else in the room but his landscape.  it exploded in front of my eyes.

i have been more cautious in my judgement of the masters since, but not overly so.

taken in context, modernism was, and continues to be as much about production and repetition as any manufactured object.  warhol put the nail in that coffin.

nowadays, the traditional artist is going the way of the dodo as new technologies emerge.

one of these technologies is video.

the difference in thier work is the same as comparing bob ross (happy little trees) to michealangelo.  both types exist in our day and age and both are making art.

some make beauty.  some make porn.  some just dont know the friggin difference.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2005, 07:39:53 AM »
why art vs. porn?
art is art, porn is porn, even i blind can see the difference.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2005, 07:49:51 AM »
An artist takes photographs of naked women.

Where do you draw the line between art and porn?

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2005, 07:54:18 AM »
bad music?
stubblemuff?

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i dont draw a line that i expect anyone else to follow.

i have photographed nudes, but so far i havent shoved a dildo in one.

maplethorp did that once though.  nearly killed the NEA.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2005, 07:56:53 AM »
i think that truth is what makes art beautiful.  it is relative, but when it rings truest it provokes the most reaction, be it
appreciation or the reverse.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2005, 08:37:40 AM »
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Originally posted by JB88
i think that truth is what makes art beautiful.  it is relative, but when it rings truest it provokes the most reaction, be it
appreciation or the reverse.


Good point.

If looked at objectivly
I dont see how one can be called art and one not.  Its all dependant on personal tastes and current attitudes.

 One would probably get in quite alot of trouble if they had some of this stuff out for public display now. but it wasnt always that way.

I'll not post the pictures on this site as someone will most certainly object to them.
Just be warned some images are graphic.

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005, 09:04:12 AM »
This is never as big of an issue as it's made out to be.

Art:  Going to a museum or reading a book of portraits

Porn: saying "LOOK AT TEH BOOBIES!" when you post a picture of a painting containing nudity.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2005, 09:15:18 AM »
Hmmm... wasn't it Jeff Koons that used to do pornographic rococo styled sculptures?

I think that was his name... think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2005, 09:16:37 AM »
google "l'origine du monde"

That painting supposedly caused a riot when it came out. The most notable thing to me in person is that, to hear people speak of it, you'd think the painting was huge. When you see it, it's only 28 inches across the diagonal.

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2005, 09:21:07 AM »
I can't believe the Euros are so thick they turn this into an "art vs, porn" debate, when the issue is what is work safe and what isn't.

You guys can't all be so  stupid, can you?

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I guess you can. LOL.

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2005, 09:25:26 AM »
Or maybe some airhead forgot to read the topic.