Author Topic: Chernobyl Heart (Read 2578 times)

Halo · « **on:** March 12, 2005, 11:09:40 AM »

One of the most gut-wrenching documentaries I've ever seen. Poor kids all deformed. Caretakers trying to comfort them. Docs working some miracles. Huge areas evacuated. Radiation readings still incredible.

Ends 3/13 via HBO On Demand, HBO Specials, Documentaries, Chernobyl Heart. Oscar-winning focus on lingering impact of Chernobyl nuclear power plant accident, which ironically was triggered by a safety exercise.

Sorry for not more notice, but just wandered on to it last night.

indy007 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2005, 11:39:33 AM »

Check this webpage

She rides a ZX-11 through the area. Lots of pictures, stories, explanations.

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There are many places that not structurally safe, or have collected pockets of intense radiation. There are places where no one dares to go, not even scientists with protective gear. One such place is the Red Wood forest and another is the Ghost Town Cemetary. The relatives of the people who are buried there can not visit, because in addition to people, much of the radioctive graphite nuclear core is buried there. It is one of the most toxic places on earth.

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When the town siren went off on Sunday morning, mass panic ensued. With the police evacuting along with everyone else, banks and even jewelry stores went relatively unnoticed, but this shop was emptied out in a matter of an hour. The police began shooting looters in May, when radioactive TV sets began to appear in the pawn shops of Kiev.

Boroda · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2005, 12:27:53 PM »

Poor kids all deformed

This is definetly another popular-propaganda horror-story.

Sorry for saying this, people probably worked hard to invent all this horrors and balme Chernobyl catastrophe...

LePaul · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2005, 12:47:30 PM »

You're denying it happened?

Good grief man, wake up. I know you adore your Soviet flag and fold is neatly every day, but get a grip

Lizking · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2005, 01:06:11 PM »

No, he said it happened("Chernobyl catastrophe"), just that not every thing that happened after it was because of it.

Staga · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2005, 01:15:53 PM »

I can't see Boroda saying it didn't happen; looks like his reply was for sentence "Poor kids all deformed" which isn't true.
Bit selective reading from LePaul? Surprise...

Boroda · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2005, 01:19:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
No, he said it happened("Chernobyl catastrophe"), just that not every thing that happened after it was because of it.

Exactly.

"Deformed babies" have nothing to do with Chernobyl. Alcoholism is responsible for 1000 times more "deformed babies" then radiation.

I am very sceptic about the above-mentioned "documentary" because the department I worked in, here, in Biochemical Physics Institute, RAS, studied Chernobyl consequences from medical point of view. No "deformed babies" so far.

Boroda · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2005, 01:26:27 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
but get a grip

Sorry, but the main difference in discussing some stuff between me and you is that I know what I am speaking about. Sorry again. I know it's hard to accept that an "asian barbarian on his shaggy mount" knows more then you in some fields...

BTW, what a good example of media brainwashing... Radio-phobia is a pure product of media. You can show "deformed babies" and siamese twins and say that it's a result of an exposure to radiation from wrist-watch glowing in the dark, and people will start wasting their watches to special "radiation-proof" containers... Damn, a great idea for crooks!

Raider179 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2005, 02:20:17 PM »

You can not be serious?

On Saturday, April 26, 1986, the world experienced its worst civil radiological accident ever when unauthorized testing of procedures on reactor number four at the Soviet Union's Chernobyl nuclear power station caused it to explode and burn, emitting large quantities of radioactive material. In the days following the accident, the Soviets released sparse data on the severity of the accident and almost no data on the extent of radioactive fallout in Europe and the rest of the world.

The White House designated EPA as the leader in coordinating the U.S. response to this global emergency. EPA began monitoring and assessing radioactivity in the United States, based in part on daily samples from its Environmental Radiation Ambient Monitoring System (ERAMS).

The system first detected radiation from the accident at ground level on the West Coast one week after the accident.

The radioactivity concentrations were well below levels requiring protective action. In addition, EPA dispatched response personnel to Europe to monitor and assess levels of radioactivity in the Black Sea and Kiev Reservoir under a cooperative agreement with the Soviets.

Because Soviet-released information was limited and unsubstantiated, Americans remained concerned about the possibility of adverse health effects in the United States. EPA established a group, chaired by the Department of Health and Human Services, to provide advice on preventing contamination of the food supply and protecting public health. EPA also established an Information Center to assemble, coordinate, and disseminate information to the public. Through the Information Center, EPA organized daily press conferences to keep the public up-to-date and to address their concerns.

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/docs/readytorespond/ready2.htm

Sorry but I trust the EPA a ton more than I turst your so called "knowledge".

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2005, 02:49:17 PM »

You guys got it all wrong.

Can't you see Boroda is an expert on the good and healthy russian radiation? It's the total opposite of the bad nazi radiation which kills everyone.

You know, all those rescue people they were being fed those same lies about the dangers of radiation and those fools tried to put out the fires at the factory.

They got so intense that they drunk themselves to death soon after the incident. Suites them right, poor victims of capitalist propaganda.

RTStuka · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2005, 04:37:48 PM »

Boroda,
I tend to believe you are fairly intelligant in many areas and I do believe you know alot about what happened in Chernobyl, but a whole nuclear reactor was melted to the ground. The roof was blown off and people all around the city could actually feel the radiation. So I find it very difficult to believe that no after effects ever happened or were ever detected.

Like was stated before, this was not a govt. that was willing to dole out lots of info on the accident when it happened so its easy to see how things could have been lost. I do agree that drinking causes many more problems than this incident would have caused in new born children but I have to believe there were incidents.

SOB · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2005, 05:20:07 PM »

The American Capatalist PIGS snuck in and caused the reactor to melt down, it was not the fault of the great U.S.S.R. To their credit, they actually cured everyone who were exposed to the radiation in record time, and a major tragedy was avoided. Unfortunately, the cure to radiation exposure was lost because it was stored in the Berlin wall, which was torn down by who? Yep, the filthy American Capatalist PIGS!

Skydancer · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2005, 05:26:54 PM »

This is a strangly funny thread!

Though not so funny for Radiation damaged Kids and Cancer riddled adults I'll warrent!

Roscoroo · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2005, 05:38:24 PM »

perhaps someday i'll tell ya all about the relationship these planes have with Chernobyl.

Air samples dont lie very well ... nor do decomissioned planes because of To many rads. ok think ive said enough an this subject.

Halo · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2005, 05:43:17 PM »

The Cherynobyl nuclear reactor accident happened in April 1986 and this documentary was filmed about 16 years later. The sick and deformed babies and children shown in the documentary are presented as solely or primarily continuing consequences of radiation from Chernobyl.

The film crew donned protective gear for some sequences and their radiation monitors showed about 13,000 (I forget whether rads or that newer measurement), WAY above anything safe.

As I recall, safe radiation levels are around 10 or less.

I wish you all had access to viewing this documentary. I realize many of you don't, but if you ever have a chance to see it anywhere, I think you should.

Like most events, many specific numbers can be debated, but the overall adverse effect of Chernobyl seems quite bleak and acknowledged by most people.

I take nothing for granted, including this documentary, and I reject biased presentations like Michael Moore's. But Chernobyl Heart seems pretty even-handed and deserves a lot of credit for showing the continuing problems from the Chernobyl accident.

If there are errors or biased reporting in Chernobyl Heart, please enlighten me in detail.

I've always been a supporter of peaceful nuclear power and still am ... but the consequences of reactor accidents are appalling.

Interesting info elsewhere on web charts shows how nuclearized many nations are, e.g., France leading with about 70% of its power from nuclear reactors.

And accidents like Chernobyl know no borders. Chernobyl is in northern Ukraine but the winds carried most of the radioactivity north to Belarus and beyond.

Among the points to check in making any housing move nowadays are where is the nearest nuclear reactor and what are the prevailing winds.

Those of you who have HBO On Demand, go now to your television and view Chernobyl Hearts before it ends tomorrow (March 13). Take a fresh box of tissue.

And post what you think about it.