Author Topic: Chernobyl Heart (Read 2348 times)

emodin · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2005, 06:05:32 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
Check this webpage

She rides a ZX-11 through the area. Lots of pictures, stories, explanations.

Actually, that woman's story and her website are nothing more than lies. I can't remember where, but if you search a little deeper, you will find that the real people who are in charge of that area are very upset at the blatant lies that she has written on her site. IIRC they admit that she came into the restricted zone on one of the tours that anyone can pay to go on (which is where she got some of her pictures), but that the 'rides' she talks about in that area are nothing more than make-believe stories.

Halo · « **Reply #16 on:** March 12, 2005, 06:27:44 PM »

Her ride was discredited among the three Chernobyl threads last April which had nothing about the Chernobyl Hearts documentary.

Halo · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2005, 11:11:19 PM »

Hmmmm. Well. Haven't seen any games yet about Sept. 11. Or Easter. Guess a few subjects have yet to be cybercized into games.

Boroda · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2005, 02:13:03 PM »

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Originally posted by RTStuka
Boroda,
I tend to believe you are fairly intelligant in many areas and I do believe you know alot about what happened in Chernobyl, but a whole nuclear reactor was melted to the ground. The roof was blown off and people all around the city could actually feel the radiation. So I find it very difficult to believe that no after effects ever happened or were ever detected.

Like was stated before, this was not a govt. that was willing to dole out lots of info on the accident when it happened so its easy to see how things could have been lost. I do agree that drinking causes many more problems than this incident would have caused in new born children but I have to believe there were incidents.

Well, the only people killed in the accident by radiation were less then 20 firemen, who were literally extinguishing burning heat-emitting elements from blown-up reactor with their boots

Even they didn't "feel" the radiation.

Information on medical consequencs of the catastrophe isn't classified. Our department studied huge load of data collected there, and it is watched closely still. Sorry, no "deformed babies". It's up to you - if you want to believe in this crap.

"Small exposures to radiation" is a very ineresting and sometimes paradoxical issue. Small portions of ionising radiation may be sometimes good for your health... The problem is too complicated for popular science and propaganda TV programms.

Chernobyl remains the most well-studied nuclear accident, the ammount of data collected is uncomparable to Japanese bombing sites or other accisents. The consequences are much worse then from possible nuclear bombings, even with such relatively dirty and ineffective devices like bombs dropped on Japan. It's quite cynical, but I have to say that Chernobyl became the best source on radiation influence on human, animal and plant biology...

I absolutely love people like Siaf making comments on such issues. Ignorant brainwashed crowd at it's best. I advise this people to keep watching TV and believe that it never lies. "As seen on Ophrah and National TV"...

LePaul · « **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2005, 02:14:39 PM »

Ignorant? Brainwashed?

Boy, you fingered yourself to perfection.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2005, 02:33:08 PM »

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Small portions of ionising radiation may be sometimes good for your health...

See? I told that one was coming. Russian radiation is good for you.

Dumbarses are just foolish for protecting from radiation or for posing restrictions for eating vegetables and berries covered in cesium dust.

Heck they gave a national advisory to wash all vegetables with soap before eating all the way to Greece after the incident. And the wind was blowing the other way.

Borodas stories don't amaze me that much though. Not that long ago they found nuclear waste buried in the park in St.Petersburg. It was discovered after the people living nearby started getting mysteriously ill.

And before you discredit this as propaganda, the news was at st.petersburg news read to me by my friends russian wife.

Furball · « **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2005, 02:37:11 PM »

I hereby dub thee Boroda: -

Bolshevik Bob

SOB · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2005, 02:42:58 PM »

LOL, you're my hero Boroda. Don't ever change!

ramzey · « **Reply #23 on:** March 13, 2005, 03:11:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Well, the only people killed in the accident by radiation were less then 20 firemen, who were literally extinguishing burning heat-emitting elements from blown-up reactor with their boots

Even they didn't "feel" the radiation.

Information on medical consequencs of the catastrophe isn't classified. Our department studied huge load of data collected there, and it is watched closely still. Sorry, no "deformed babies". It's up to you - if you want to believe in this crap.

"Small exposures to radiation" is a very ineresting and sometimes paradoxical issue. Small portions of ionising radiation may be sometimes good for your health... The problem is too complicated for popular science and propaganda TV programms.

Chernobyl remains the most well-studied nuclear accident, the ammount of data collected is uncomparable to Japanese bombing sites or other accisents. The consequences are much worse then from possible nuclear bombings, even with such relatively dirty and ineffective devices like bombs dropped on Japan. It's quite cynical, but I have to say that Chernobyl became the best source on radiation influence on human, animal and plant biology...

I absolutely love people like Siaf making comments on such issues. Ignorant brainwashed crowd at it's best. I advise this people to keep watching TV and believe that it never lies. "As seen on Ophrah and National TV"...

Pavel, Pavel

you mean 20 of them died on place?
how many die in hospitals? you know i have friend who work in Kijev hospital thos days
as i remember even USSR gov claim more casulties

did you forget how big imput give chernobyl for boosting cancer and all other throat sicknesses?
If it was nothing big, why i was forced to drink lugolla liquid?
why muschroms still shine in dark near charnobyl?
why som plants get big boost in groving around chernobyl area?
why poland install sensors to discover all kinde of radioactiv activities on borders? and take a special look on food?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2005, 03:23:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

Bolshevik radiation is good for you!

SunTracker · « **Reply #25 on:** March 13, 2005, 03:30:26 PM »

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Deformed babies" have nothing to do with Chernobyl. Alcoholism is responsible for 1000 times more "deformed babies" then radiation.

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Those babies truely do look like monsters.

Boroda · « **Reply #26 on:** March 14, 2005, 08:05:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
See? I told that one was coming. Russian radiation is good for you.

Dumbarses are just foolish for protecting from radiation or for posing restrictions for eating vegetables and berries covered in cesium dust.

Heck they gave a national advisory to wash all vegetables with soap before eating all the way to Greece after the incident. And the wind was blowing the other way.

Borodas stories don't amaze me that much though. Not that long ago they found nuclear waste buried in the park in St.Petersburg. It was discovered after the people living nearby started getting mysteriously ill.

And before you discredit this as propaganda, the news was at st.petersburg news read to me by my friends russian wife.

Now he starts putting words into my mouth...

I was speaking about inoising radiation, he keeps hallucinating about cesium and vegetables. Obvious lack of basic school education.

Again: there were no "deformed babies" after Chernobyl.

Cancer and other things were a problem.

Boroda · « **Reply #27 on:** March 14, 2005, 08:13:59 AM »

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Originally posted by ramzey
Pavel, Pavel

you mean 20 of them died on place?
how many die in hospitals? you know i have friend who work in Kijev hospital thos days
as i remember even USSR gov claim more casulties

Sorry, typed "20" instead of "30". AFAIR there was one or two deaths "in place", most of this brave people died in hospitals in about one month

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Originally posted by ramzey
did you forget how big imput give chernobyl for boosting cancer and all other throat sicknesses?
If it was nothing big, why i was forced to drink lugolla liquid?
why muschroms still shine in dark near charnobyl?
why som plants get big boost in groving around chernobyl area?
why poland install sensors to discover all kinde of radioactiv activities on borders? and take a special look on food?

Cancer is a problem. Some other diseases are. But showing "deformed babies" in a programm about Chernobyl is an example of media radio-phobia lies.

What did that sensors show? Huge increase of background radiation? Two times, from 10 to 20 millirentgens per hour?...

This digits are usually used to scare public.

ASTAC · « **Reply #28 on:** March 14, 2005, 08:25:58 AM »

Regardless of which sides propaganda you choose to believe...I don't think anyone on this board can say conclusively one way or another. However Boroda, radiation has been linked to birth defects and deformities, therefore one can assume that when an irresponsible government operated nuclear reactors unsafely which resulted in a major accident..one can assume that the higher radiation in the area will cause deformities and defects.

Angus · « **Reply #29 on:** March 14, 2005, 08:33:10 AM »

Uhm, Boroda:
"Radio-phobia is a pure product of media. "

Chernobyl was a quite powerful accident, and it'll be a ghost area for what, hundreds of years to come?
So there is a reason to be a tad touchy around radiation, - not much taking back there if things go bad.

As for deformed babies, there were plenty after Hiroshima, so I rather think there would be some.

And cancer, oh, lots of dead.