Author Topic: Chernobyl Heart (Read 2352 times)

genozaur · « **Reply #60 on:** March 21, 2005, 02:41:03 PM »

Originally posted by Raider179:

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Sorry but I trust the EPA a ton more than I turst your so called "knowledge". [END OF QUOTE]

Hey, Rai,
Are you serious about trusting EPA ?!
I am sure you live too far from New York City.
And who is your friend ?
Is it the twice former NJ governor-turned-sniffing- female-dog of EPA ?

genozaur · « **Reply #61 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:04:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
You guys got it all wrong.

Can't you see Boroda is an expert on the good and healthy russian radiation? It's the total opposite of the bad nazi radiation which kills everyone.

You know, all those rescue people they were being fed those same lies about the dangers of radiation and those fools tried to put out the fires at the factory.

They got so intense that they drunk themselves to death soon after the incident. Suites them right, poor victims of capitalist propaganda.

Siaf,
Do not try to sound deadly sarcastic.
The point here has just turned to the radiation-triggered deformities in babies, i.e. the effects of higher than normal levels of radiation on the fetus.

As far as I remember, these 'higher than normal' levels of radiation are most desruptive (thus causing deformities) of the normal growth of the fetus within the span of several weeks closer to beginning of the fetus development.

It can't be that all the women in Chernobyl area conceived approximately at the same time within the span of those several weeks, unless there was a massive conspiracy to persuade women into simultaneous sex before the preset time for the explosion.

P.S. Did anybody check the child deformity statistics for Hiroshima and Nagasaki ?
This, if available, can easily decide this question
of "all deformed Chernobyl children".

Raider179 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:04:50 PM »

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Originally posted by genozaur
Originally posted by Raider179:
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Sorry but I trust the EPA a ton more than I turst your so called "knowledge". [END OF QUOTE]

Hey, Rai,
Are you serious about trusting EPA ?!
I am sure you live too far from New York City.
And who is your friend ?
Is it the twice former NJ governor-turned-sniffing- female-dog of EPA ?

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Lets see EPA or Russian propaghandist? you make the call. I have lived near EPA superfund sites does that count? Friend? Not sure but I doubt the head of EPA actually writes the reports on the issues. She is more of a figurehead or puppet whichever one you want to choose.

Notice I said a ton more than....Not I trust totally.

Krusher · « **Reply #63 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:06:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
There is plenty of life in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And no beastly genetic mutations like in the Hollywood movies.

Ohhh noooo there goes Tokyo, go go godzila!

genozaur · « **Reply #64 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:17:53 PM »

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Originally posted by emodin
Actually, that woman's story and her website are nothing more than lies. I can't remember where, but if you search a little deeper, you will find that the real people who are in charge of that area are very upset at the blatant lies that she has written on her site. IIRC they admit that she came into the restricted zone on one of the tours that anyone can pay to go on (which is where she got some of her pictures), but that the 'rides' she talks about in that area are nothing more than make-believe stories.

I am also a little bit sceptical about that web site
which at the same time is a promotional vehicle for the so-called "Orange Revolution" (which I call 'revolution of oranges'). The site is too much politically charged to be trusted as objective sourse of information.

genozaur · « **Reply #65 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:22:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
Lets see EPA or Russian propaghandist? you make the call. I have lived near EPA superfund sites does that count? Friend? Not sure but I doubt the head of EPA actually writes the reports on the issues. She is more of a figurehead or puppet whichever one you want to choose.

Notice I said a ton more than....Not I trust totally.

Puppet is definitely a more politically correct word.
But I still like the phrase "governor-turned-sniffing
-female-dog of EPA".

genozaur · « **Reply #66 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:31:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I'm getting annoying? What are you going to do, attack me and throw me into a gulag? I know it's a century old tradition down there to all nay-sayers.

After all this talk you've revealed your true nature. And then you wonder why people consider you're a part of the evil empire.

Siaf,
you are soooo passionate !
Dominatrix or just kinky ?

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #67 on:** March 21, 2005, 11:55:25 PM »

No Genozaur I just feel pure hate towards the state the russians left thier country to.

I never believed I'd be able to experience a culture shock untill I visited there.

Boroda · « **Reply #68 on:** March 22, 2005, 01:27:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
No Genozaur I just feel pure hate towards the state the russians left thier country to.

Sure, any state led by Western Democracy like Germany in 1933-45 could be better in your eyes if Russians could leave their country to it.

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I never believed I'd be able to experience a culture shock untill I visited there.

Sorry for not providing you with our land, water, and air. I bet they didn't even bring you the keys to Moscow! Bloody barbarians! Didn't met expectations of a civilized person from a democratic country!

Seagoon · « **Reply #69 on:** March 22, 2005, 01:46:02 PM »

Boroda,

Help me out here, as I don't want to just go tearing in before I know exactly what you are saying.

Are you contending that:

a) Radiation has never been conclusively linked to birth defects?

or

b) The Chernobyl accident did not[/u] release enough radioactive material to cause birth defects in the surrounding area?

or

c) Radiation only poses a threat when you are standing on hot core material which is actively emmitting intense gamma radiation?

Thanks,

SEAGOON

Boroda · « **Reply #70 on:** March 22, 2005, 01:47:54 PM »

The story from Estel I promised:

In 1986 4th reactor of Chernobyl power station blows up.

Western propaganda starts to tell horror-stories about evil Russians. I listened to the Voice of America every day in April-May 1986 on short-wave radio, breaking through jamming. They reported numbers of Chernobyl victims daily, numbers went up every day, from something like 4000 in 10-15 days they went up to 80000. That was enough for me and switched to BBC Russian Service, at least their hallucinations didn't go further then 120 Soviet soldiers killed in Afghnaistan daily.

So, in May, 1986, a Western TV team working in Ukraine makes a report about a real "deformed baby", a true mutant with severe birth defects, and it is shown on one of the Western popular TV channels. It was really horrible - they filmed the "real outcome of Chernobyl radiation exposure"!

KGB started an investigation immediately - when did they film this and why we don't know about such outstanding mutations going on!? The answer was simple. Poor baby was born in a family of alcoholics. Parents refused to take the child, preferring to spend money on vodka. And the most interesting fact was that the baby was born in December 1985, 5 months before an accident!

"As shown on TV", our victims of Evil Soviet Radiation claimed the kid back and turned to one Western embassy for political asylum because "Soviet state is responsible for the birth-defects". Funny, but they were let out of country and got to the West. It was a hard time for alcoholics in 1986 - Gorby started an anti-alcohol campaign, and in the West they had a chance to continue with their creative hobby. So, in a few weeks it was all clear to the side that gave them an asylum, so they were kicked in their ass, returned to the Union and spent the rest of their lifes in narcological clinics. Poor kid stayed in the West.

I wonder if the TV programm mentioned in this thread used the same original 1986 footage of a "deformed baby". Maybe the journalists who made an original report about "Russian mutants" still get royalties?...

Angus · « **Reply #71 on:** March 22, 2005, 02:20:33 PM »

Now Boroda, from you:

"Sure, any state led by Western Democracy like Germany in 1933-45 could be better in your eyes if Russians could leave their country to it."

Are you paralelling Hitler's Germany with a Democratic Western state?
That is not just the USA, also Norway, France, Great Britain, FINLAND, the BeNeLux, and so on.

Well, Hitler chose to do business with the USSR before attempting to gobble them up, so, looking better at history, the only proper paralell I can find is Hitler's Germany and the USSR.

That's why the democratic states declaired war on him while he was swapping tools and materials with the USSR.

Happy today?

WilldCrd · « **Reply #72 on:** March 22, 2005, 08:04:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Some of you need to read "The Plutonium Files". It would change your outlook on the "harmlessness of Radiation". The US govt. injected almost 50 people with "harmless radiation". I don't want to spoil to much.

Karaya

PS - You CANNOT compare the WWII bombs with Chernobyl. Two different styles and methods (i.e. WWII it was in it's infancy and Chernobyl it was definately more refined).

Dont forget about them putting plutonium in quaker Oatmeal in the 50's to see the effects on a certain community

genozaur · « **Reply #73 on:** March 23, 2005, 12:20:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
No Genozaur I just feel pure hate towards the state the russians left thier country to.

I never believed I'd be able to experience a culture shock untill I visited there.

After the world war II with its enormous loss of life, the survivors just did not want to die so they sacrificed practically everything in order to contribute to the atomic defence effort.

You saw the results of that.

Did you visit Sankt Piterburh ?
It differs somewhat from the rest of the country.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #74 on:** March 23, 2005, 12:36:45 AM »

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After the world war II with its enormous loss of life, the survivors just did not want to die so they sacrificed practically everything in order to contribute to the atomic defence effort.

Nothing surprises us, really. You still believe in the communists lies explaining to you that teh evil amreekans were the reason why your planned economy sucked golf balls through garden hoses? Eh.. I mean if you'd have something to suck through.. erm.. if you had hoses.

What about NK, what about China? What about Yugoslavia? They all had to spend all thier money on nuclear race? WAKE UP.

You are all in 100% denial. When will you people learn that you were fed with absolute rubbish throughout your entire lives? The US put 10 times more money to nuclear race and they're still the leading economy on the planet.