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« Reply #105 on: March 16, 2005, 02:27:35 AM »
I agree with Vulcan - I believe bustr is being melodramatic in the extreme, besides proving a point for the case not to hand guns out like plastic toys in cereal packets! Why does he think he needs a gun? - in case someone else has one and they're bad. The problem here is the fact that bad people can get guns, but that's what happens when you have Guns-4-All.

I have a certain lady acquaintance who lives in Oakland,CA near where bustr lives. And she does NOT have a gun, and to my knowledge has not had the bad luck that bustr has had.

I know that Oakland is about 60% black, so there's likely to be ghetto crimes. But more guns is not the answer - else more bad people will have them and the situation will be even worse. Stiffer penalties for crimes and more police - now there's an idea...

Pics of Oakland in June 1998 - it's dull because it was an El Niño year. The water is Lake Merritt.




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« Reply #106 on: March 16, 2005, 02:45:04 AM »
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Or take a pistol out to the range and go plinking.

Guess it sucks to be living where you do ;)
Yeah, it sucks not being able to go to a garbage dump and shoot at tin cans. I shall lament that fact in May when I go to Austria to visit this.



But why would I want to visit an 11th century fortress with a wealth of historical interest, enjoy bratwurst/wienerschnitzel and schnapps, when I could be visiting ghettos exercising my right to be shot at, or making holes in paper targets?

BTW this castle was used in the location shooting for "Where Eagles Dare".

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« Reply #107 on: March 16, 2005, 07:43:07 AM »
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I have lived in the Berkeley Oakland area of California for 20 years now. I have been assaulted 3 times with knives. Shot at 2 times but was still young enough I beleived I could "handle myself" so I carried nothing and acted the stupidity of youth. When I got older, around 42 I had to begin conceled carry because of 6 shootings that happened in parking lots at night within a mile of where I worked. Ive had to brandish my side arm once to change a criminals mind about the knife he was hiding from me behind his back on the front steps of my home in Oakland in broad daylight.


Goodness me...no wonder you are living in fear and must carry a gun.

Speaks volumes your post does.

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« Reply #108 on: March 16, 2005, 08:45:47 AM »
nashwan... You country had less percapita murders no matter what your laws so far as guns go.  You are simply a less murderous country..  you allways have been... you are a less dynamic and vibrant country on a tiny little island with a tiny little social system that is not very culturaly diverse.

you may allways be that way or... things may get worse.. you are allways behind us about 20 years.

If and when things get worse... you will have dennied yourselves the right to defend yourselves.

In the case of this story... gun or no... the kid would probly have figured out a way to either kill himself or soemone else accidentaly..  accidents just happen to some people.

but... what really gets me is that you feel that you have the right to tell me what I can or can't own based on the fact that bad people abuse it.   I have done nothing that threatens you or yours and in fact, I am a deterent to harm.

The woman in the story may have had a boyfriend that was going to come over and kill the whole family... he may have been detered by knowing she was armed... it may have been a net gain of two lives.  

If the kid got the car keys and killed someone in the family wagon... you wouldn't be asking that all keys be locked up in a safe when not in use... you wouldn;t say that the woman deserved to be punished if she left her car keys in her purse and he got em.

he shouldn't be in her purse period.

If people can't be responsible then they need to be punished... if it is an accident then it is simply and accident... no worse than running over a kid while changing a CD in the car or putting on makeup...

You can't punish the law abiding tho for the crimes of the lawless.

It is like saying that jewlry is the main burglar target so lets outlaw jewlry.

At my workplace I asked... all but one person owns a firearm... all for different reasons.   Just as you cannot imagine peasants owning arms.... none of them can imagine a place where they couldn't.

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« Reply #109 on: March 16, 2005, 08:58:00 AM »
OOOOoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOooo oooooooooh!

Beet's going to a movie set!  I am SO jealous... not.

BTW, I dont' go to a dump. I go to Mill Creek Rifle Club, an unpretentious facility with excellent ranges that is known nationally for the matches held here. Great place; $75/year for the family membership and you're your own Rangemaster.

You might not like that part though; you have to be responsible for yourself. There's no nanny there to keep you from shooting your foot off if you choose to practice quick draw and don't know what you're doing.

Another two weeks and it'll be turkey season. While you wonder in awe at old stone houses, I'll be out enjoying Mother Nature, trying to decoy one of our wiliest gamebirds with a call. Should I succeed, I shall have the makings of several extremely fine repasts and the satisfaction of having done so without the aid of hired animal assassins.

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« Reply #110 on: March 16, 2005, 09:10:20 AM »
It also seems odd that most of the people here who fear firearms so much end up living in countries with a higher suicide rate than us even though most of our suicides are done with fireams and 80 millon or more people here own fireams.

I am really glad that the latest spate of insane gunmen or accidental shootings happened while Bush is on...

If that wuss kerrie was up we would be doing the pale pasty faced euro shuffle so far as losing our freedoms go.   People who don't know the slightest bit about firearms and have armed guards for them and theirs would be telling us what we could own for firearms.

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« Reply #111 on: March 16, 2005, 09:11:31 AM »
If only Lazs and Toad would ignore him... Such a simple request.

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« Reply #112 on: March 16, 2005, 09:13:29 AM »
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Hmmmm....

 

Interesting... in NZ, our goverment is elected by democratic processes. We are far superior to you. Bla bla bla, America sucks, bla bla bla.

Guess it sucks to be living where you do ;)


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« Reply #113 on: March 16, 2005, 09:20:35 AM »
I dunno creamo... I think that beet and nashwan are doing America a service.

I take every opportunity to take new people out shooting.. most, if they are adults are a little intimidated by guns and a little guilty feeling with a lot of preconcieved notions that they picked up from the liberal press and their women.

Once we go out and shoot... I think that I have at least helped the cause.... most times they will not listen to the liberal meia in the same way.

I believe that vulcan, beet and nashwan etc.. are products of their super socialist liberal countries propoganda about guns.... they really know very little about the subject so simply look at numbers and such.

When these people get on this board and explain their gun banning agenda... I can't help but feel that the American here that didn't really care on way or the other...

I can't help but feel that for a lot of them... the euros banning agenda is a wake up call.   They see that the "common sense" womanly liberal democrats agenda is really all about and how silly it is.

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« Reply #114 on: March 16, 2005, 09:27:26 AM »
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the euros banning agenda is a wake up call.   They see that the "common sense" womanly liberal democrats agenda is really all about and how silly it is.

lazs


Exactly the discussion I had with a bunch of folks during the lunch break at the shoot in Devonshire.

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« Reply #115 on: March 16, 2005, 10:22:24 AM »
I also think that besides the normal human nature flaw of wanting to tell everyone else what to do...

The euros here hate American firearms freedom so much because it highlights their lack of freedom.

And beet... are you saying that you can't have the right  to keep and bear arms and also have nice scenery?   Or... are you saying that Austrias peaceful and non violent past created such scenery?

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« Reply #116 on: March 16, 2005, 10:39:42 AM »
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Exactly the discussion I had with a bunch of folks during the lunch break at the shoot in Devon.
- ah, glad to see that you're referring to that county as Devon and not Devonshire! :aok How are the master beaters these days? Will you be coming over anytime soon?

Well now that Lazs and Toad have been honest, I have no need to argue with them any more. Each has said in essence that they want to have the guns they want, even if the Guns-4-All policy which enables that results in thousands of avoidable deaths each year. I’ve never said America should give up privately owned weapons, but have observed the disastrous consequences viz. homicides and accidental deaths in a G4A society.

If I were Mayor of Dixon, I would enact a city ordinance to control the right to buy firearms. People disqualified from owning guns would include the following.
  • White van man/assorted trailer trash
  • Anyone with tattoos or body piercing
  • People who exhibit visible evidence of smoking – yellow moustache/fingers/teeth
  • People who chew gum for more than 1 hour per day
  • People who make a habit of using split infinitives, or putting a preposition at the end of a sentence
  • Those who cannot pronounce “nothing” – instead, it comes out as “nutting” or “nuttn”.
  • People who say “ain’t”
  • People who drink beer (in a bar) from a bottle, instead of using a glass
  • People who drink in “sports bars” watching “the game” on an enormous TV set, and become overexcited and noisy when their team is about to score
  • People who don’t use a napkin at dinner
  • People who eat while driving
  • People with grubby fingernails, or evidence of participation in manual labour such as black deposits under the fingernails.
  • People who drive cars with dents in the bodywork
  • People who drive cars which have one body panel sprayed an entirely different colour from the rest of the car
  • People who eat at Jack in the Box more than twice a week
  • People with shaved heads who drive BMWs
  • People who buy Harley Davidsons, as only an idiot would do that, and we don’t want idiots to have guns.
  • People who think that English is the only language in the entire world
  • People who think that the US$ is the only currency in the entire world.
  • People who have not ventured out of their home state
  • Anyone who refers to Britain’s capital as “London-England”, or France’s capital as “Paris-France”
Anyone who matches any of the criteria above should be barred from owning a gun of any kind. In fact they should be fined $10 if they try to apply for a permit for having the temerity even to think about it.

However, subject to the applicant not matching any of the above criteria, I would allow that person to buy a gun not exceeding .22 calibre. But they could only have one box of ammo per month. This restriction would not apply if the applicant could show that he/she meets any of the following criteria:
  • holds a bank account
  • has a checking account with an average balance of $2000
  • has a credit card (MC/Visa) with a minimum credit limit of $4000
  • lives at an apartment complex where there is a 24h doorman on duty provided the doorman wears a uniform which must include top hat, tails and white gloves)
The only applicants eligible to buy guns of .38 calibre and above would be Homeowners. They could have TWO boxes of ammo per month, but would be eligible to an allowance of FOUR boxes of ammo per month if they meet any of the following criteria:
  • Drivers of German cars (except BMW drivers with shaved melons)
  • Passport holders
  • Holders of an American Express card
  • People who visit a restaurant where the headwaiter knows them by name, provided the establishment has tables covered with white linen tablecloths.
Those people wishing to own .44 calibre and higher would have to be the owner occupiers of a detached residence with automatic electric gates.

Special dispensation for Lazs – he can have whatever he wants, including a belt fed machine gun and unlimited ammo.

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« Reply #117 on: March 16, 2005, 10:44:47 AM »
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If only Lazs and Toad would ignore him... Such a simple request.


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« Reply #118 on: March 16, 2005, 10:52:57 AM »
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I had a dream.
did you have to change the bed linen?

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« Reply #119 on: March 16, 2005, 10:55:31 AM »
Why not? You want to want to have the automobile you want, even if the Autos-4-All policy which enables that results in thousands of avoidable deaths each year.

Something wrong with your feet? Forget how to walk? Walk and save lives, Beet.

You had a dream but you're getting a nightmare Creamo. ;)

You just can't let this blather go unopposed. Otherwise the nannies here will make this place just like Britain and we'd have to throw them out just like we did last time.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!