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Offline rpm

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« on: March 13, 2005, 10:55:29 PM »
A 4-year-old boy who shot his 2-year-old brother in the head this afternoon after an argument in their southwest Houston home didn't seem to understand what he had done, police said.

"He's wondering where his brother is, and when his brother's coming back," said Sgt. Cameron Grysen of the Houston Police Department Homicide Division.

The 2-year-old was in critical condition tonight at Ben Taub Hospital with a single gunshot wound to his temple. The incident happened about 4:20 p.m. at a home in the 5500 block of Gatewood near South Post Oak Boulevard.

Grysen said the boys had been arguing when the 2-year-old threw a toy at his brother. While the mother thought the boys had returned to their room, they walked back to her room, where the older boy grabbed a loaded gun from his mother's purse.

"The 4-year-old was angry ... he went and got the gun, put it to his brother's head and shot the gun," Grysen said.

The bullet entered one of his temples before exiting another side of his head. The sound of the gunshot alerted the mother to the incident. The woman had told police that she had the gun -- a .32-caliber automatic -- in her possession to protect her family because of recently reported burglaries in the neighborhood.

It is not clear if the boys' father was home at the time, but police said he did go to the hospital.

The mother could face criminal charges of making a weapon available to a child, Grysen said, adding that Child Protective Services would also investigate the family.

CPS spokeswoman Estella Olguin said her agency had never been called to the home prior to Saturday. A CPS caseworker was expected to decide whether to allow the older brother to stay with his parents or place him in custody of family or CPS.

"It all depends on a lot of things, like why mom had a gun in her purse in the first place, and if the gun was registered," Olguin said.

The mother told police that Saturday was the one day that she did not keep her gun secure.

"You got to be real careful with guns around children, and you can't be too careful keeping them secured," Grysen said.

Police are not sure whether the older boy understands the difference between real and toy guns.

"We really can't say with a 4-year-old," Grysen said. "It's very mind-boggling that this happened."

Residents of the modest neighborhood of single-family homes described the children and their parents as a happy family who often take walks with neighbors.

"All parents should be concerned about weapons laying in the home," said Yulanda Jordan, a neighbor. "It makes me feel bad about kids getting into weapons."

Edward Josey, 17, a neighbor who had played with the little boys on occasion, said they were like family.

"They shouldn't be playing with guns," he said, "They're too young."
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2005, 11:07:55 PM »
I think you might be wrong there.
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2005, 11:09:02 PM »
cant even find that through all the carnage..

how many guys on this bbs could this have been?

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2005, 11:09:28 PM »
Stupidity on the Mother's sake.  I feel sorry for both of the little boys.
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2005, 11:09:51 PM »
Well, it was surely the gun's fault, right RPM?

Or was it the parents fault maybe?

And guns are dangerous right? And we should ban 'em?

But not cars, right?

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A 4-year-old boy drove his mother's car to a video store a quarter-mile from their apartment in this town about 15 miles north of Grand Rapids....

....He flipped on his lights when the car turned into the apartment complex and struck a parked car. The boy put the car in reverse and struck Osga's cruiser.....

...It was the third time in six weeks that a west Michigan child was caught driving a vehicle.

A 7-year-old girl sustained minor injuries Dec. 23 after she took a van for a drive and collided with a car near her home in Ottawa County's Robinson Township. The other driver wasn't injured.

On Jan. 13, an 11-year-old Norton Shores boy took a school bus on a two-mile joyride that left smashed mailboxes and broken utility poles in its wake. There were no reported injuries.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2005, 11:14:30 PM »
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A 4-year-old boy who shot his 2-year-old brother in the head this afternoon after an argument in their southwest Houston home didn't seem to understand what he had done, police said.

"He's wondering where his brother is, and when his brother's coming back," said Sgt. Cameron Grysen of the Houston Police Department Homicide Division.

The 2-year-old was in critical condition tonight at Ben Taub Hospital with a single gunshot wound to his temple. The incident happened about 4:20 p.m. at a home in the 5500 block of Gatewood near South Post Oak Boulevard.

Grysen said the boys had been arguing when the 2-year-old threw a toy at his brother. While the mother thought the boys had returned to their room, they walked back to her room, where the older boy grabbed a loaded gun from his mother's purse.

"The 4-year-old was angry ... he went and got the gun, put it to his brother's head and shot the gun," Grysen said.

The bullet entered one of his temples before exiting another side of his head. The sound of the gunshot alerted the mother to the incident. The woman had told police that she had the gun -- a .32-caliber automatic -- in her possession to protect her family because of recently reported burglaries in the neighborhood.

It is not clear if the boys' father was home at the time, but police said he did go to the hospital.

The mother could face criminal charges of making a weapon available to a child, Grysen said, adding that Child Protective Services would also investigate the family.

CPS spokeswoman Estella Olguin said her agency had never been called to the home prior to Saturday. A CPS caseworker was expected to decide whether to allow the older brother to stay with his parents or place him in custody of family or CPS.

"It all depends on a lot of things, like why mom had a gun in her purse in the first place, and if the gun was registered," Olguin said.

The mother told police that Saturday was the one day that she did not keep her gun secure.

"You got to be real careful with guns around children, and you can't be too careful keeping them secured," Grysen said.

Police are not sure whether the older boy understands the difference between real and toy guns.

"We really can't say with a 4-year-old," Grysen said. "It's very mind-boggling that this happened."

Residents of the modest neighborhood of single-family homes described the children and their parents as a happy family who often take walks with neighbors.

"All parents should be concerned about weapons laying in the home," said Yulanda Jordan, a neighbor. "It makes me feel bad about kids getting into weapons."

Edward Josey, 17, a neighbor who had played with the little boys on occasion, said they were like family.

"They shouldn't be playing with guns," he said, "They're too young."


It should be, with the following information.

1.)  Was the gun a legal purchased gun?
2.)  Only person to blame here is the Mother

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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2005, 11:17:00 PM »
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how many guys on this bbs could this have been?

 


One or two.. Beet or Zulu maybe.
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2005, 11:24:56 PM »
Mother needs to be locked up

My opinion that if something like this happens with your weapon because you failed to properly stow/safe it..the you are guilty of at least mansluaghter and criminal negligence.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2005, 11:47:55 PM »
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Well, it was surely the gun's fault, right RPM?

Or was it the parents fault maybe?

And guns are dangerous right? And we should ban 'em?

But not cars, right?
I might surprise you here Toad. I'm pro-gun, just not a fan of NRA propaganda. The Mom was at fault for not securing the weapon and for poor safety training with the kids. This is a tragedy that could have easily been prevented.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2005, 11:51:52 PM »
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This is a tragedy that could have easily been prevented.


As is just about every tragedy.  Sad story.

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2005, 12:46:18 AM »
That is a tragedy what happened. Around toddlers nothing is safe.  It is a good idea to not have a handgun around when they're around.  If they live there in your house, don't have a handgun in the house.  Put all guns away and secure guns when they visit.  When my great nephews visit (age 2, 4, and 7) I hide all longarms in the air conditioner duct (very secure for a short visit.)

One day they need to learn about weapons, guns, hunting and the manly arts.  They're too young for that now.  I was introduced to gun training at the age of nine or ten.  Firing that double barrel 12 gauge hurt my shoulder for a week.  Dang near turned me off guns, and I whined about the brutal recoil, and my friends already had .22s, so I grew up around rifles and shotguns, squirrel and deer hunting. and some quail hunting alone without dogs.

I have not seen hunting accidents, but have heard of them, and that instructs as much as possible if taken heed of.  There are many stories to listen to, the point being to always beware of distractions and to always be focused and aware.  Bullet can't be called back.





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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2005, 12:50:08 AM »
never had a relative that i could'nt find thier guns.

that said, try to remember when you had a kids curiosity.

i lock mine up.
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2005, 01:14:28 AM »
I was reading a trade magazine for firearms today that talked about a 4 year old who accidentally shot himself with his parents' handgun. (He lived) The parents stood trial for child endangerment, and were convicted of a felony. The DA stated they didn't want jail time but wanted the conviction because then the parents could never own a firearm again.

All seems logical to me.

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2005, 03:11:26 AM »
That is a horrible tragedy, and while I believe the blame is most certainly with the mother, I think locking her up would make a bad situation worse.  Unless there are some serious issues going on in that family beside this.  She made a mistake, and the hell she's going through now is punishment enough.
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2005, 03:31:27 AM »
No worse than strapping a loaded gun to a overweight grandma, and putting her next to violent rapists in a court house. Neither should be punished, but both cases should serve as a lesson to everyone else.