I don't think this will be in "The Armed Citizen"

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e

I wonder how easy it would be for a four year old child to drown a two year old child in a five gallon bucket.

Very, very easy.
I had a friend when younger that was nearly killed by a younger brother with a 2 foot piece of stick that was about 3/4 of inch in diameter. We didn`t ban trees.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Curval
I noticed in the recent church shooting that no-one was able to stop that lunatic from killing 7 people.  So much for arguments that use "protection" as the main selling point.  

Isn't it interesting that Wisconsin is NOT a right to carry state?

The Legislature passed Concealed Carry but the Governor vetoed the decision of the people's elected representatives on Nov 11, 2003.

A veto override failed in 2004; after the November election, they are now getting another bill ready.

Georgia? At the courthouse where the incident happened?

Georgia prohibits any person from carrying any firearm to or possessing any firearm at a public gathering (which includes, but is not limited to, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises).  Section 16-11-127(a), (b).

No "civilian" can legally carry a gun on to the courthouse property.

Cuval, no one is telling Bermuda what to do about guns. I'm sure you're not telling the US what to do about guns.

Nonetheless, this back-and-forth exchange of opinions continues to occur. So, how do you explain that?

[Toad]

Originally posted by beet1e
And that's because those items could be used to kill someone, but are not specifically designed for the purpose. Of course, some wise arse (or even Mr. Toad) will be quick to point out that more people die on the roads than in accidental shootings.
 

Perhaps you could contact Hallmark Cards and convince them to bring out a new line of sympathy cards under your name.

You could offer condolences to people whose children are killed by inanimate objects that were not specifically designed to kill but, due to their misuse by human operators, killed their children very effectively none-the-less.

As you say, the market would be FAR, FAR larger for those than for sympathy cards related to firearms.

You could say stuff like... "Hey Mom! It's OK your toddler was killed by a drunk driver. Don't grieve! Cars and alcohol were not specfically designed to kill!

I'm sure they'd be a big hit.  Especially the "drowned in a bucket" line.

[Heretik]

Originally posted by beet1e
even though guns are outlawed here, the annual tally of gun homicides is well under 1% of the US figure.

How do the numbers of total homicides and/or assaults (per capita) stack up?

[Engine]

Originally posted by Airhead
I can't read Beet's post, but I'll bet I know what he said-

"Guns are bad! No guns is good! America has guns, so America is bad! England has no guns, so we are good!  Bleat bleat, I'm a sheep!"

Not only that, but you got his exact wording correct!  I'm starting to think you didn't really put him on ignore.

[GtoRA2]

Everyone should have beetle on ignore, he is one of the most subtle trolls on this board but still a troll. Either that or so dumb it is surprising he hasn’t killed himself in a bathtub or bucket.

Since he is still alive I have to say he is prolly just a troll.

[Creamo]

lol, outstanding Gto.

[SOB]

I've done that, GTO, and went one better...I added his little brother, Curval.  Now if only people would stop quoting them!

[beet1e]

Actually, I don't think it would be that easy for a four year old to drown a two year old in a 5 gallon bucket. First, he'd have to plan it: get the bucket to a water supply, and turn it on. A four year old might have difficulty doing that. Then he would have to carry the bucket to where the two year old was. 5 gallons? That's nearly 19 litres and would therefore weigh about 19 Kg. Nope, sorry. I don't see a four year old going through with this.

Originally posted by Heretik
How do the numbers of total homicides and/or assaults (per capita) stack up?

The UK population is about 20% of the US population. Using 2003 (the last year for which I have figures) for comparison, I can tell you that there were 9638 homicides in the US committed with firearms, and 68 in Britain. Allowing for population disparity, the firearms homicide rate in the US is around 29 times what it is here. But then you have to remember that there are many thousands of gun deaths (like the one that is the subject of this thread) which are not classed as homicides. So the actual number of people killed by guns in the US for any reason is probably 50-100 times per capita higher than here.

Originally posted by Lazs
also... the risk vs benifiet... the risk is that 60-80 children a year will die due to gun accidents in a country of allmost 300,000,000 vs 1.5-3 million crimes a year stopped due to someone using a gun. the cost is certainly worth it. How many children are killed on skateboards or bikes and how many are saved by same?

Oh I think the number of children killed by guns each year is rather more than the 60-80 you think it is. I checked the FBI stats and found this for 2003. Just up to the age of 16, the tally amounts to 374 - and that's just the homicides. To that figure, you would also have to add the accidents such as the subject of this thread. I think you'd find that the actual number of children up to age 16 killed by guns each year (homicide or accident) is closer to 1000.

[Toad]

Of course, in 1776 we decided we didn't want to be British. And the respective paths of the societies began to diverge and never (thank cod) will they reconverge.

You have yours, enjoy.

We have ours, which I clearly love.

They are not and never will be the same. What works for us won't work for you and what works for you most certainly would result in armed rebellion here once again.

Think of it this way. If our leadership tried to remake our society in the British image, we'd throw them out too. By force of arms, if necessary.

[Curval]

Beet..it is a small price to pay for the priviledged right to shoot at garbage.



Matters not to me though...just glad I only visit and don't live there.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Engine
Not only that, but you got his exact wording correct!  I'm starting to think you didn't really put him on ignore.

Nah really I did...it's just that if it's a gun thread, and Beat is in it, then it's pretty predictable what he'll say.

Now a tougher one to guess what they said is Curval cause I don't know how he stands on the issue, but I'll try-

"If everybody wore pink shorts we'd all get along better....and, has anybody seen my motor scooter? I seem to have misplaced it."

How'd I do on that one, Engine?

[Creamo]

If we can get Laz and Toad to ignore him, his broken record will just skip, skip, skip ...

It was awesome he pulled out charts after Gto buried him though. Too funnay.

[Heretik]

I'm sorry beet1e, let me rephrase.
I'd be intersted to see the statistics for total homicides and assaults (per capita) side by side.  Of course banning guns will reduce the number of gun murders, but what about total murders?  I'd like to see the figures for assaults as well, since attempted homicide with a gun is probably more likely to succeed, weighting the US murder column unfairly.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Toad
Of course, in 1776 we decided we didn't want to be British. And the respective paths of the societies began to diverge and never (thank cod) will they reconverge.

You have yours, enjoy.

We have ours, which I clearly love.

They are not and never will be the same. What works for us won't work for you and what works for you most certainly would result in armed rebellion here once again.

Think of it this way. If our leadership tried to remake our society in the British image, we'd throw them out too. By force of arms, if necessary.

I feel bad disagreeing with you Toad about the British and all during the Revolutionary War.  But we didn't drive them out, they left to deal with other issues.  If they had wanted to, they would have won.  We wouldn't have had a chance.




Les