Murder...

[GtoRA2]

let me simplify then.


She MAY NOT BE A VEGTABLE.

Still willing to let her die without confirmation?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by GtoRA2


You could not starve a dog to death.  Not you or the SPCA, but somehow its ok to do it to a human?

 

For that matter you can get into trouble and be called inhumane for not putting an animal out of its misery but you go to jail if you do it to a human. Even if the human wants it

This world is more twisted then a plate of spagetti

[Suave]

Tube feedings are lifesupport.

Great example of why you should make advanced directives.

I know if I was in her place, I would want somebody to let me die.  

I just hope when the time comes I'll still have the mental faculty and the motor ability in my trigger finger to check myself out.

[myelo]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
She is awake, at least somewhat aware, needs no help breathing. Having seen video tapes of the patient, I have a very hard time buying the persistent vegitative state declaration. She responds to stimuli.

That’s entirely consistent with a vegetative state. Such patients exhibit reflex motor response to certain stimuli, including pain, touch, and sound. They may even vocalize or cry. She has sleep-wake cycles. But she is not aware. At all. That’s what a persistent vegetative state is – wakefulness without awareness.

And numerous neurologists who have examined her agree with this diagnosis.

It would have been much better if the patient had a living will spelling out her wishes. But she didn’t. And in Florida, as in most states, the spouse is presumed to have priority over the parents to speak to the patient’s wishes unless it can be shown the parents were more aware of her wishes.

There have been numerous hearings and trials and all have come to the same conclusion -- she is in a persistent vegetative state and the husband is the best person to carry out her wishes.

Situations like this happen all the time and the spouse is allowed to make these decisions. The only reason this one become such a circus is because the parents have disagreed with the husbands decision and gotten the courts and lawyers involved, closely followed by grandstanding politicians.

[Nash]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Still willing to let her die without confirmation?

It's her husband's doctors vs her parent's doctors, if I had my guess. I've seen some vid and I'm gonna go with his.

We could get into the definition of vegetable... and all sorts of symantics would follow. And it would not do this chick one lick of good no matter what we landed on. She'll still be lying prone in another 10 years. Oblivious to our own personal, internal moral struggles.

"I know if I was in her place, I would want somebody to let me die." - Suave

I have yet to hear anybody (and we've all had this conversation with our buds at some point or other) say differently.

"Ijust hope when the time comes I'll still have the mental faculty and the motor ability in my trigger finger to check myself out." - Suave

But then lazs would call you a wimp.

[ROC]

And "If" she comes out of this, say 10 years from now, is she going to be Pissed that someone didn't pull the plug?

It should be simple, there is a choice, her family wants her alive, her husband wants the plug pulled.

Tie goes to life.

It stuns me that we negotiate the value of life every day, then wonder why kids go out and kill people for shoes.  I mean, why not, shoes are worth a few hundred bucks, and apparently life is negotiable.

It's so common place that in here, just another chat room, it's being negotiated over.  It should be nothing less than appaling to consider anything short of Whatever It Takes to keep a life going, and whatever it takes to reverse any damage.  We have the resourses, but apparently lack the desire.

Odd, really.  The ability of the human race to overcome any obstacle it is faced with, yet still burdended by stupidity.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Nash
There is no right to let.... ?

There is no right to let something happen which would otherwise happen without outside intervention?

yeah, like if you decide not to feed a baby, it will die.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by NUKE
yeah, like if you decide not to feed a baby, it will die.

Yeah... but babies aren't eggplants.

[Nash]

And if you just stood by and watched (let) someone get beat to death without doing a thing... that too is a crime.

I guess it depends on what the situation is. Under normal circumstances, if she was able she could feed herself. A baby couldn't. A starving African could, and a bleeding man on the street couldn't.

ps... I'm not real big on the example I used... so go ahead and press it but it's gonna wind up somewhere else fer sure.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Nash


"I know if I was in her place, I would want somebody to let me die." - Suave

I have yet to hear anybody (and we've all had this conversation with our buds at some point or other) say differently.

[HORSHACK STYLE HAND WAVING] I'm doing it right now!  Don't wanna die ever! I'm too damn curious about whats around the next bend in the road.  If there's a chance I might come back from a coma or whatever, damn straight you better keep me hooked up... so long as it's possible and there's willing parties to do so.  Hell, pickle my brain and keep it around for some scientific regeneration later when I do die... freeze my corps and frankenstien my bellybutton back later... WHATEVER.

So I'm a wimp... Life is better than Death (at least till some omnipotent being comes along and SHOWs me different).  

[GtoRA2]

The dead only know one thing.  It is better to be alive.

SGT Joker.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

She can't eat or drink on her own and her mental capacity is that of a household pet?
-SW

[Stang]

IMHO there are far too many questions about the husband's motives to not be suspicious about why he wants her dead so badly.  And to the question of moving on... he has a live in girlfriend with a couple kids with her and he won't divorce Terry so her parents can take care of her... like I said, way too many questions and too many horrible possibilities.  Life is a gift, and rare, don't piss it away.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Stang
far too many questions.... husband's motives... suspicious... too many questions...

It's none of your business.

(picture me saying that in the nicest possible way, because that's how I mean it.)

Originally posted by Stang
Life is a gift, and rare, don't piss it away.

Absolutely...

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
The dead only know one thing.  It is better to be alive.

SGT Joker.

You got a source to back that claim up?