Murder...

[Elfie]

btw Nash.......I don't ever want to live like she has....ever....



Please come and finish me off if anything retarded like this happens to me. (There....living will! )

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Let her die with as much grace and dignity as she can.


ack-ack

By starving her?

So who among the death dealers would be willing to...hmmmm?

Throw the switch?
Pull the trigger?
Inject the poison?

[Shuckins]

Tumor just planted his flag on the moral high-ground.

[Nash]

"death dealers".... heh.

Life is full of contradictions, isn't it...

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Nash
"death dealers".... heh.

Life is full of contradictions, isn't it...

  Well not really.  I mean, if we absolutely have to kill this person, why starvation?  In the end she's being handed a death sentence, she has no say whatsoever in the matter.  I don't see her crime.

  Good grief, doesn't she, a defensless person who relies on others care, deserve the dignity of a quick painless death?  I figure she deserves at the very least the same consideration we give murderous criminals.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Tumor
By starving her?

So who among the death dealers would be willing to...hmmmm?

Throw the switch?
Pull the trigger?
Inject the poison?

Death is far more humane and merciful compared to the "life" she's been force to endure.  Too bad her parents and the likes of you have forgotten that.


ack-ack

[Nash]

It's about dignity? Is that really so very important? Is her existence a dignified one?

Dignity... hmm...

It reminds me of how we project human characteristics onto animals. To make us feel better about an animal's behaviour, or to help us relate to them.

If you have a problem with her natural death, you have a problem with death itself. It is ego driven, and without realizing it you are probably putting yourself into her shoes, bringing with you all of your hang-ups, insecurities, doubts, fears.

Insisting that your issues must be hers.

Either that, or this is some morality play.... once again bringing your own personal baggage into her situation.

That's cool.... we're human, it happens.

But don't call people with a different point of view "murderers" or "dealers of death". That's just lashing out.

And it don't mean a thing to folks like me.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Death is far more humane and merciful compared to the "life" she's been force to endure.  Too bad her parents and the likes of you have forgotten that.


ack-ack

The likes of me don't know what she thinks any more than the likes of you.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Nash
It's about dignity? Is that really so very important? Is her existence a dignified one?

Dignity... hmm...

It reminds me of how we project human characteristics onto animals. To make us feel better about an animal's behaviour, or to help us relate to them.

If you have a problem with her natural death, you have a problem with death itself. It is ego driven, and without realizing it you are probably putting yourself into her shoes, bringing with you all of your hang-ups, insecurities, doubts, fears.

Insisting that your issues must be hers.

Either that, or this is some morality play.... once again bringing your own personal baggage into her situation.

That's cool.... we're human, it happens.

But don't call people with a different point of view "murderers" or "dealers of death". That's just lashing out.

And it don't mean a thing to folks like me.

Don't change the subject to me and my faults.  I simply don't understand the callous attitude some people are taking towards a defensless life.  

She might want to die... or does she know the difference?  

She might want to live... or does she know the difference?

She may feel "undignified"... or does she know the difference?

She may be glad someone is willing to let her live... ???

So, apparently we've established the fact she has no idea what she wants... therefore we should all just happily say "Screw it, she can't take care of herself, she deserves to be allowed to die".

I've never heard a more F*ed up attitude or twisted sense of "for the best".

and yes, it's a human being we're talking about.  I do believe she deserves a certain amount of dignity.  Granted if we were talking about a DOG starving to death, I'm SURE there'd be plenty of public "lashing out".

[Fishu]

wow... sure is alot of ultra conservative people here.

Wake up, she's lived for fifteen years only because of the tube.
*IF* that can be called living.
Sounds more like living dead.

In the future the human kind will be even more capable of sustaining critically injured people's life.
Whether or not they are concious.
It simply cannot be humane to keep people alive for years, who are nearly braindead, but enough to have very very very limited chances of regaining concious.
The system cannot sustain this in the future, with more and more advanced ways of sustaining life.

I guess the technology will be soon so advanced that we could keep headless bodies alive for several years.
Would it be worth it? It'd be still alive, but also dead. In a way it'd be still a murder to let it die by unplugging.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Tumor
I've never heard a more F*ed up attitude or twisted sense of "for the best".

How luscious for you.... But what difference does that make? You've never heard something... well okay.

" I simply don't understand the callous attitude some people are taking towards a defensless life.

Awareness of one's own shortcomings is evidence of humility, so kudos for that. You don't understand it. That's alright too. That's good.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Nash
How luscious for you.... But what difference does that make? You've never heard something... well okay.

" I simply don't understand the callous attitude some people are taking towards a defensless life.

Awareness of one's own shortcomings is evidence of humility, so kudos for that. You don't understand it. That's alright too. That's good.

Nice one Sik.

[Nash]

Why thank you, Fred.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Tumor
Nice one Sik.

Me? What do I have to do with that?

I'm amazed at the amount this is generating, though I suppose that, considering it's a close question it shouldn't be suprising.

A lot of major arguments in the O-Club are more systemic in nature. I mean, the drug debate, Foreign policy, adultery... these are all things that have a constant and/or lasting effect.

This case though, seems so fact dependant, that I don't see the over-arching impact that it will have.

Which is why I had (have) nothing worth while to say on the topic.

-Sik

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Fishu
wow... sure is alot of ultra conservative people here.

Wake up, she's lived for fifteen years only because of the tube.
*IF* that can be called living.
Sounds more like living dead.

In the future the human kind will be even more capable of sustaining critically injured people's life.
Whether or not they are concious.
It simply cannot be humane to keep people alive for years, who are nearly braindead, but enough to have very very very limited chances of regaining concious.
The system cannot sustain this in the future, with more and more advanced ways of sustaining life.

I guess the technology will be soon so advanced that we could keep headless bodies alive for several years.
Would it be worth it? It'd be still alive, but also dead. In a way it'd be still a murder to let it die by unplugging.

A simple document stating your wishes (just like in this case) would be all it takes to settle the whole thing.  Which is my entire point... "we" don't know.  The support system for this woman is in place, and there's a standing offer for it to continue.  Why are people so adamant she be killed off?  Money?