F8f

[CHECKERS]

I hope so !
The addition of the Bearcat would be fun !!!

[Rolex]

So how come we don't have V1 and V2 rockets available?  

They could be bought with bomber or vehicle perks, but the perks would always be gone since they never make a safe landing.

Just think: a squad or mission could start an attack by launching V1s or V2s toward a field or town and Tempests could up to tip them over...

[TexMurphy]

*imagines people knocking down FHs with Vx rockets*

*screams and cries*

*hides under table*

[lazs2]

grun... I said nothing about what year they came out or how many of em fired guns or were fired at...

That part is kinda moot in the MA... I don't think any LA7 ever fought p51's or tempests or typhoons.  I have to face gazillions of high performance planes that never fought my fm2 in the war.

The bearcat was not a prottype and it had been in service in large numbers 6 months berfore the end of the war.   It is indeed a vintage WWII fighter plane by anyones standards.

It is no super plane like even the me 262   I have no problem with the meteor either.

lazs

[Wmaker]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Way too many planes not modeled that did participate in the conflict to do before considering those who coulda shoulda woulda in my opinion.

P39s, lighweight P40Ns, maybe the Merlin P40Fs and Ls that saw action with those MTO USAAF P40 groups.  What about B25s and A26s.  Allison engined Mustangs for the MTO, RAF in the ETO and CBI fans.

All kinds of Spit variants.  You want a 4 cannon Spit, then get the Spit 21.  It got into action before the war was over.  I'm kinda partial to the Spit XII for the low alt work. They certainly saw combat.  Might want to get the Meteor in the game as the Allied jet and see how it matches up to the 262.

Might as well get the Beaufighter, Whirlwind, Me210/410, He219 etc in.  Lots of German bombers, Italian stuff, Russian stuff, Japanese stuff that saw combat that would add to the fun, before those that didn't quite make it.

Ditto.

As it was already mentioned, HTC has limited art-resourses (Natedog and Superfly). These guys can only do so many planes in certain time frame. So far we've gotten two totally new aircraft 3D-models since AH went 2.0. That was approx. 9 months ago. Though Pyro said that the plane development will get faster after the new system is totally mastered. It's also good to remember that Nate and Super also have loads of work which doesn't involve new aircraft.

There are still tens of significant WWII combat aircraft that actually fought in the war to model.

[TexMurphy]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Way too many planes not modeled that did participate in the conflict to do before considering those who coulda shoulda woulda in my opinion.

P39s, lighweight P40Ns, maybe the Merlin P40Fs and Ls that saw action with those MTO USAAF P40 groups.  What about B25s and A26s.  Allison engined Mustangs for the MTO, RAF in the ETO and CBI fans.

All kinds of Spit variants.  You want a 4 cannon Spit, then get the Spit 21.  It got into action before the war was over.  I'm kinda partial to the Spit XII for the low alt work. They certainly saw combat.  Might want to get the Meteor in the game as the Allied jet and see how it matches up to the 262.

Might as well get the Beaufighter, Whirlwind, Me210/410, He219 etc in.  Lots of German bombers, Italian stuff, Russian stuff, Japanese stuff that saw combat that would add to the fun, before those that didn't quite make it.

I'm sure folks can name a lot more.

Dan

Totally agree with your list.

But would like to add a thing... goons... we need goons for each nation.. before we need a plane that didnt fight..

And ohh... mossies... we need later mossie versions..

Tex

[Howitzer]

I would still like to see planes like the f8f added to the MA over the brewster and p39.  The P40N wouldn't be a bad addition, simply because our B model is pretty worthless in the MA, and the E isn't all that much better.  I'd rather fly a jug, and that is sad to me because the p40 was the stereotypical WWII era plane when I was growing up.  The reason I would vote no to the brewster and the p39 is that they are so underclassed with our current planeset, I just don't think they would get much use.  

Give me something cool to waste more perks on!!  =)  I don't like the 262 nor the 152, and I'm not that big on the spit 14 because I'd just rather fly a 9 and turn if I have problems.  F4U-4 and Tempest are the only options in my mind... and unless I'm upping off of a CV, I'll take the 4 hispano package.  

I guess for me, its not about historical usage as much as enhanced gameplay.  If its going to add a new aspect to the game, why not put it in if it is reasonable?  Just my thoughts.

[Muddie]

How far did the carrier make it?   Surely the F8F flew some patrol sorties.   CAP duty during war time. It's not the F8F's fault that the enemy didn't show up?

Originally posted by NUKE
Bearcat would be cool, but if it didn't see combat I'd say it's out.

Instead, we need the  B-29

About 3000 or so were made during the war and it did see combat.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by lazs2
grun... I said nothing about what year they came out or how many of em fired guns or were fired at...

That part is kinda moot in the MA... I don't think any LA7 ever fought p51's or tempests or typhoons.  I have to face gazillions of high performance planes that never fought my fm2 in the war.

The bearcat was not a prottype and it had been in service in large numbers 6 months berfore the end of the war.   It is indeed a vintage WWII fighter plane by anyones standards.

It is no super plane like even the me 262   I have no problem with the meteor either.

lazs

Lazs you basically said why not have the F8F wen we allready have these late war high performers like La7 or Dora etc.

Well the reason I gave you was that the F8F came out to "service" nearly a full year later than the latest one on your list and thus missed out combat in WW2.

[gatso]

Just an aside.

Kweassa, You might like to check out what F/O G. Walkington got up to on April 19th 1945 . Similarly what Rudolf Schmitt got up to on May 4th 1945. I know it was rare but it was certainly used in anger and I don't think it belongs in the same category as the Gotha or Do335 et al.

carry on  

Gatso

(PS He162 for those too lazy to look stuff up)

[lazs2]

grun... my point remains that the only planes worth doing in the MA are late war fast planes.... you could model a dozen duds like the P40 and they would be a huge waste of time... model on f8 and you would see at least 10% of the guys flying it.  still no wonder plane and most would never give up cannons to fly 4 .50's now would they?

it was a WWII plane.... It was on carriers and "in the war"...  guys were training and flying em for 6 months before the war ended... if they would have been german planes they woulda "seen combat" before they even rolled out of the hanger.

people would use em...  They would not be the fastest or meanest plane around but would offer the most variety and usefulness of any plane I can imagine in the current MA.   A place where a -4 corsair is perked but D9's and la7's are free.

So... model a bunch of useless planes that 6 guys in the MA use 1 every six weeks or so or.... the f8 that will be used to counter the allready overwhelmingly boring current overused bunch.

If you are gonna put late war planes in with early war ones then it is obvious that only really good planes will be worth doing.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by lazs2
grun... my point remains that the only planes worth doing in the MA are late war fast planes.... you could model a dozen duds like the P40 and they would be a huge waste of time... model on f8 and you would see at least 10% of the guys flying it.  still no wonder plane and most would never give up cannons to fly 4 .50's now would they?

it was a WWII plane.... It was on carriers and "in the war"...  guys were training and flying em for 6 months before the war ended... if they would have been german planes they woulda "seen combat" before they even rolled out of the hanger.

people would use em...  They would not be the fastest or meanest plane around but would offer the most variety and usefulness of any plane I can imagine in the current MA.   A place where a -4 corsair is perked but D9's and la7's are free.

So... model a bunch of useless planes that 6 guys in the MA use 1 every six weeks or so or.... the f8 that will be used to counter the allready overwhelmingly boring current overused bunch.

If you are gonna put late war planes in with early war ones then it is obvious that only really good planes will be worth doing.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Based on what your saying, then anything pre-44 is a waste of time?  

Or does it mean at a certain point, AH should split arenas with a pre-44 MA and a  44-46 MA.

Does scenario use play into the equation at all?  Or do we just move on to all the end of the war coulda shoulda wouldas that never fired a shot in anger?

Not trying to pick a fight, but asking as one who is clearly more based on a historical slant then just what will go the fastest, highest etc in the game.

I understand what you are saying, but with that thinking, then we might as well have an MA with one aircraft type for everyone so that we'd find out who the real king of the hill is.

Dan/CorkyJr

[SunTracker]

P-80 was in Italy in 1945.  Albeit just two of them.

[GRUNHERZ]

The F8F would be perked much higher than the Tempest, it would be anther pefked plane flown just as conservatively as any other perked plane - even moreso because it couldnt hide behind a non perk tag.

I dont see how it would do the things you hope it would..

It took no part in WW2 combat whatsover.

The F4U4 is perked because its a late war plane from spring 1945 that saw very little combat in very small numbers. Tempest, LA7, Dora, all saw much more use in the past year.  The Ta152 is of the same timeframe as F4U4, saw little use, has unremakable AH loalt performance  and itsperked too.

There is no anti US navy conspiracy lzs.

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Plus what do you care about highperformance perked fast uber planes like F8F, i thought you were a dedicated hard core low alt furballer in ww2 us navy planes like f6f, fm2 and f4u?  Why do you want the F8F with all its speed, acceleration, climb and outstaning capabilities?

[TexMurphy]

Howitzer

All plane additions (added versions of existing models and new rides) are most likely gonna have ToD as primary focus and MA as secondary.

MA is going to have the planeset ToD requires not the other way around.

F8F is totally useless for ToD.

P-39 is going to be very needed for ToD tours on east front and even mid war pacific.

So the chance of seeing the P-39 is much much much greater then the F8F.

Tex.