Author Topic: F8f (Read 4630 times)

hogenbor · « **Reply #60 on:** March 22, 2005, 04:24:42 AM »

The way I see it is that if a an 'almost' WWII area plane is added with superior performance, most of the MA will fly it. Most people don't have the skill or patience to achieve even moderate succes in an early war plane. People want to have fun and most people have more fun when they can win.

When was the first time the F-86 Sabre flew? 1947? Why not add that too? Before you know it people will be wanting F-22's with ASRAAMs. Ok, that's taking it too far but you get the point.

I like to fly in an environment where historical opponents are pitched against each other but alas, when I can find time to play, the CT counter says mostly '1'. So I go to the MA and up something I can get a few kills in and survive every now and then. So indeed adding more early war planes is just catering to some (vocal) enthousiasts, not to the majority which just plays 'Quake with old planes'. Maybe if HTC offered relaxed realism and 3 times standard ammo even more people would play... sadly.

To go to the other extreme, The Finns used, in WWII, completely obsolete Bristol Bulldog bi-plane fighters. They even got kills with them. For that reason alone it is more appropriate for the plane set than the F8F, how much I like that plane or not.

eilif · « **Reply #61 on:** March 22, 2005, 04:51:09 AM »

wow bearcat looks wwwhicked! that rudder and bubble cannopy have quite the sexy look.

lazs2 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 22, 2005, 09:05:36 AM »

guppy and grun... we are arguing different points... I fly slow planes in furballs. It wouldn't affect me that much except on the rare occassion that I grab a faster plane when there is absolutely no furball action in the MA.

How can anyone argue from a historical point and mention the MA in the same breath? How can anyone think that a bearcat with it's 4 .50's will need to be perked in an arena of typhoons and d9 and 51d and la5 and 7's and spits?

I would probly fly the bearcat more than any of the other planes mentioned but most would not... I would say that it would tempt very few out of their la7's or d9's or g10's

and... the -4 is perked because... because it didn't see much use in WWII? performance is no reason? The 262 and tempest seen lots of use and they are perked too.

The bearcat is a WWII aircraft produced and flown in large numbers during WWII. It's not a super plane by the standards of the current top 5 or so in the MA right now.

lazs

lazs

Howitzer · « **Reply #63 on:** March 22, 2005, 09:24:52 AM »

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Originally posted by TexMurphy
Howitzer

All plane additions (added versions of existing models and new rides) are most likely gonna have ToD as primary focus and MA as secondary.

MA is going to have the planeset ToD requires not the other way around.

F8F is totally useless for ToD.

P-39 is going to be very needed for ToD tours on east front and even mid war pacific.

So the chance of seeing the P-39 is much much much greater then the F8F.

Tex.

Okeee... thats cool. Whatever they want to add is fine with me, I'll fly anything a few times. I guess what I was trying to say (and everything I say is from an MA standpoint because I don't know much about this TOD thing) is that you'll see a p39 in the skies about as often as you see a 202 in my opinion. Not saying it doesn't have its place, just would like to see a plane of an ENY of 20 or lower first... I fly plenty of ENY 35+ planes, and it would take a serious advantage from the p39 to get me out of my jugs, a5, or 109s, and it just doesn't seem like it carries that advantage with it.

Thanks for the viewpoint though, I hadn't really thought of it that way.

TexMurphy · « **Reply #64 on:** March 22, 2005, 09:30:44 AM »

What is defined as large numbers?

If we argue large numbers then the P40N should definatly be in game. Even before we start to think about F8F.

I mean we all want different rides to be added, because there are so many gaps in the arsenal. We can all argue tons of arguments why "our ride" should be added but in the same time we will always argue why another ride should be added.

What is needed is a strategy on how to add rides.

Personally I think there is one.

Rework of current models and addition in variants of these plus adding planes that are needed for ToD.

After all atm ToD is the main goal of HTC, not more rides for MA.

If Im wrong and the goal is to provide a borader spectrum of rides for the MA then a strategy for that needs to be in place.

If so Id guess it would be.

Rework current models and addtional versons of these plus late war rides. Simply because there isnt much room for early to mid war rides in the MA.

Given that last fact if the case is to add planes for the MA then we really need a strategy for how to deal with the mid to early war planes in the MA.

Personally, IF this is the case, Id like to see 2 MAs an pre 44 and a 44 and later.

But I dont think the last scenario is the case.. I do think the focus is so heavily on ToD that the plane strategy follows that focus.

Tex

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 22, 2005, 11:38:38 AM »

Damnit, we aren't talking about the standard La7 here. We are talking about the 3 gun package on the La7.

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3-cannon La-7s saw combat.

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^ Yeah. All both of em.

You'd be hardpressed to find someone in the MA who ISN'T IN A 3 GUN LA7.

Grits · « **Reply #66 on:** March 22, 2005, 11:45:47 AM »

Howi, something you are overlooking is the P-39 was designed to work at low alt, and at the typical MA altitude of 10k and under it will be quite capable IMO. It will also be a good buff and GV killer, just as the Yak9T is now with the 37mm cannon. I hope that if we ever do get it we also get the P400 export version that had the 20mm in place of the 37mm.

Howitzer · « **Reply #67 on:** March 22, 2005, 12:59:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Howi, something you are overlooking is the P-39 was designed to work at low alt, and at the typical MA altitude of 10k and under it will be quite capable IMO. It will also be a good buff and GV killer, just as the Yak9T is now with the 37mm cannon. I hope that if we ever do get it we also get the P400 export version that had the 20mm in place of the 37mm.

Well, I don't think I'll be disapointed with whatever new planes come in, hopefully it is a great low alt performer. I just don't see many Yak9Ts running around these days so it makes me leary. Sounds like the 20mm version would be sufficient as well. I wouldn't, however object to the p63 =)

Lye-El · « **Reply #68 on:** March 22, 2005, 01:30:44 PM »

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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Show me another World War where high performance prop job airplanes that shoot at you were heavily employeed and you might see yet another online sim.

WWI

Those aeroplanes were high performance at the time.

Midnight · « **Reply #69 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:51:12 PM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Didnt the F8f have the ability to go from stop to 30k faster than any other ww2 aircraft?

if my jacked up brain is correct, i think it held the record climb rate untill the f-15 eagle beat it.

or something.

Mot sure if the F8F held the record, but the F15 didn't beat the record from any US plane. The Russian MiG (can't recall number, Foxbat was the codename I believe) held the record prior to the F15

Howitzer · « **Reply #70 on:** March 23, 2005, 03:00:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Midnight
Mot sure if the F8F held the record, but the F15 didn't beat the record from any US plane. The Russian MiG (can't recall number, Foxbat was the codename I believe) held the record prior to the F15

Mig29? I thought that plane had a thrust/weight ratio of close to or exceeding 1.0

6GunUSMC · « **Reply #71 on:** March 23, 2005, 03:32:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Howitzer
Mig29? I thought that plane had a thrust/weight ratio of close to or exceeding 1.0

The F8F Bearcat set the record in June, 1945 for climbing from a dead standstill to 10,000ft in 91 SECONDS... This was not beaten until an F-16 (NOT F-15) beat it in the very early 70s.

Those are the facts...

I would love to see the bearcat in the game along with about 2 dozen other planes... I wont hijack the thread by talking about other planes that may/may not be more important...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #72 on:** March 23, 2005, 03:39:36 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
guppy and grun... we are arguing different points... I fly slow planes in furballs. It wouldn't affect me that much except on the rare occassion that I grab a faster plane when there is absolutely no furball action in the MA.

How can anyone argue from a historical point and mention the MA in the same breath? How can anyone think that a bearcat with it's 4 .50's will need to be perked in an arena of typhoons and d9 and 51d and la5 and 7's and spits?

I would probly fly the bearcat more than any of the other planes mentioned but most would not... I would say that it would tempt very few out of their la7's or d9's or g10's

and... the -4 is perked because... because it didn't see much use in WWII? performance is no reason? The 262 and tempest seen lots of use and they are perked too.

The bearcat is a WWII aircraft produced and flown in large numbers during WWII. It's not a super plane by the standards of the current top 5 or so in the MA right now.

lazs

lazs

Lazs are you really asking for a plane thats as fast as an LA7 and faster at alt, that climbs and accells as good or better than the Spit14, that rolls as well as Fw190, nearly turns with a Zero and is tough like a grumman and that saw no combat usin ww2 to be unperked? And you think nobody would fly that kind of performance just because of 4 50cals? You cant be serious..

I think you basically deluding yourself, and its really a surprise since I've always seen you as one of the straight shooters here on the board over the years... What gives man?

Howitzer · « **Reply #73 on:** March 23, 2005, 03:57:16 PM »

Just because he doesn't take your view on all things does't mean he isn't a "straight shooter" =) Personally, I think its performance begs a perk value, but its guns are horrible at 4 50cals. Other planes with those guns have ENY values 35 and over. One being the P51B, which isn't a bad plane minus the fact it lacks a bubble canopy. The 4 50s will really hurt this plane, and that is why I can see where lazs is coming from. Put 4 hispanos on it, and I think you have a case for an extreme perk value.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #74 on:** March 23, 2005, 04:09:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Howitzer
Just because he doesn't take your view on all things does't mean he isn't a "straight shooter" =) Personally, I think its performance begs a perk value, but its guns are horrible at 4 50cals. Other planes with those guns have ENY values 35 and over. One being the P51B, which isn't a bad plane minus the fact it lacks a bubble canopy. The 4 50s will really hurt this plane, and that is why I can see where lazs is coming from. Put 4 hispanos on it, and I think you have a case for an extreme perk value.

Well if the 51B was:
Faster than Tempest
Climbed and acceled as good or better than Spit 14
Rolled like Fw190
Was tough like a grumman
Turned almost like late model zero slow and better above 150mph

Then you might have a point, but it isnt, and you dont have point.

Lazs is a great guy, Ive known him here for years and I've even met him in real life. He's always been a to the point noBS guy, which is why this apparent self delusion about the F8F capabilities is really such a surprise to me.