Author Topic: F8f (Read 4371 times)

Pongo · « **Reply #75 on:** March 23, 2005, 04:48:13 PM »

Someone told me the first plane to really beat that record was an Orion.

The bearcat has 4 50s but they are M3s I think. 1200 rpm so 4 of them is identical to 6 m2s.

The Bearcat would be an expensive perk. Close to Tempest expensive.

Widewing · « **Reply #76 on:** March 23, 2005, 06:35:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
Someone told me the first plane to really beat that record was an Orion.

The bearcat has 4 50s but they are M3s I think. 1200 rpm so 4 of them is identical to 6 m2s.

The Bearcat would be an expensive perk. Close to Tempest expensive.

I think it's pretty obvious that the Tempest would be generally out-classed by the F8F-1. Depending upon which test data you prefer (the Navy's or Grumman's), the F8F-1 was able to make 383 mph to 393 mph on the deck. Climb at full load was between 4,570 and 5,150 fpm. Max speed was between 421 and 442 mph at 19,000 feet. This is a certified monster. Even with four .50 cal MGs, perk value would be at least as high as the Tempest.

Cannon armed F8Fs (F8F-1B) didn't begin delivery to the Navy until 2/27/46, making them clearly post-war fighters.

My regards,

Widewing

Blue Mako · « **Reply #77 on:** March 23, 2005, 07:26:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Midnight
Mot sure if the F8F held the record, but the F15 didn't beat the record from any US plane. The Russian MiG (can't recall number, Foxbat was the codename I believe) held the record prior to the F15

MiG 25 = Foxbat

Pongo · « **Reply #78 on:** March 24, 2005, 02:35:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
I think it's pretty obvious that the Tempest would be generally out-classed by the F8F-1. Depending upon which test data you prefer (the Navy's or Grumman's), the F8F-1 was able to make 383 mph to 393 mph on the deck. Climb at full load was between 4,570 and 5,150 fpm. Max speed was between 421 and 442 mph at 19,000 feet. This is a certified monster. Even with four .50 cal MGs, perk value would be at least as high as the Tempest.

Cannon armed F8Fs (F8F-1B) didn't begin delivery to the Navy until 2/27/46, making them clearly post-war fighters.

My regards,

Widewing

And how does the Tempest compare to that?
Deck speed in that range. Climb less. Weapons way more effective. Alt speed in that range.
I dont see how it outclasses the Tempest.

lazs2 · « **Reply #79 on:** March 24, 2005, 08:02:37 AM »

Ok.. so what is the climb rate in FPM of the G10 and tempest and typhoon and la7? Yak and d9 and Ki?

It is a very good plane but I simply don't see no cannon planes in the MA much. I don't hink the M3's came out till allmost Korea but I could be wrong. a 4 50's plane just won't do it for the B&Z crowd. They won't use it.

It is fast and it climbs as good as any of the other planes in the arena tho. It does not turn like a Zero. I have heard that it didn't turn much better than a 51.. it would probly be more comparable to the turn rate of the corsair or F6.

I could be wrong but I think it would be used by furballers more than the sky accountants. It might even be the best plane in the game but... something allways is.

The P40n would be a waste of time so far as the MA is concerned. It really wasn't much of a performer.

lazs

Magoo · « **Reply #80 on:** March 24, 2005, 08:07:29 AM »

Sky Accountants...that's funny:lol

Howitzer · « **Reply #81 on:** March 24, 2005, 08:42:15 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Well if the 51B was:
Faster than Tempest
Climbed and acceled as good or better than Spit 14
Rolled like Fw190
Was tough like a grumman
Turned almost like late model zero slow and better above 150mph

Then you might have a point, but it isnt, and you dont have point.

Lazs is a great guy, Ive known him here for years and I've even met him in real life. He's always been a to the point noBS guy, which is why this apparent self delusion about the F8F capabilities is really such a surprise to me.

I was going to respond, but lazs has reaffirmed the point I was trying to make, that you didn't understand. 4 50s aren't good for BnZ type planes as it will probably take more than one pass to kill someone. The gunnery will take away from it being a skilless dweeb plane so the masses will stay away from it. I would use it to run down la7s, the same role I use my tempest for now. But I'll take those 4 hispanos anyday. I'm sorry you are having such a tough time grasping this.

lazs2 · « **Reply #82 on:** March 24, 2005, 09:09:11 AM »

me too... I would use4 it to get to the furballs quicker and to chase down the cowardly sky accountants.

At this point I grab a tempest once in a while and simply slaughter em because they only perfected their running skills.

I don't think that the bearcat would be near as good a performance plane as the 262 yet it is allowed.

The point is... if we are going to make it a late war only arena then let's not bother with the useless early planes not modled yet... let's get a useful one in.

lazs

whels · « **Reply #83 on:** March 24, 2005, 09:26:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Midnight
Mot sure if the F8F held the record, but the F15 didn't beat the record from any US plane. The Russian MiG (can't recall number, Foxbat was the codename I believe) held the record prior to the F15

The Bearcat holds the piston-powered world record for it's time to climb. That record is 91 seconds from brake release at sea level to 10,000 feet. It is said to have held this record for almost three decades until finally beaten by the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

Furball · « **Reply #84 on:** March 24, 2005, 09:42:23 AM »

You are comparing the Bearcat to aircraft that were in service a year before it. If you add the bearcat you could say that we should be adding the p.80 shooting star too? that was in service in italy before the bearcat?

Although they would be fun, I believe neither deserves a place in this game - they were simply too late.

Pongo · « **Reply #85 on:** March 24, 2005, 10:15:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Furball
You are comparing the Bearcat to aircraft that were in service a year before it. If you add the bearcat you could say that we should be adding the p.80 shooting star too? that was in service in italy before the bearcat?

Although they would be fun, I believe neither deserves a place in this game - they were simply too late.

What an unusual opinion. WW2 aircraft, deployed to engage in ww2 flown by ww2 pilots on ww2 sortis are too late. For what? They where totaly not to late. I understand people debating prototypes being included in the game. But once the best operational aircraft that Germany could make were included in the game the best aircraft that her enemies could make have to be included in the game too. Especially when thier flight characteristics are perfectly suited to the MA.
A carrier plane that can take the La7s game away from it would be excellent for the MA.

Magoo · « **Reply #86 on:** March 24, 2005, 11:49:41 AM »

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A carrier plane that can take the La7s game away from it would be excellent for the MA.

But then what do we do when everyone starts *****in' about the F8F? If you don't like the La7's game then your not gonna like the F8F's game either...

respectfully

Magoo

Pongo · « **Reply #87 on:** March 24, 2005, 02:48:39 PM »

Ya I will join the crowds of people that complain about the tempest I guess. Cause like I said it will be a near Tempest perk beasty.
You have heard of the perk system?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #88 on:** March 24, 2005, 02:59:58 PM »

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The P40n would be a waste of time so far as the MA is concerned. It really wasn't much of a performer.

You're not cool anymore.

lazs2 · « **Reply #89 on:** March 24, 2005, 03:01:39 PM »

if the tempest and 262 and 163 are allowed in the game then how can the p80 or bearcat or even meteor ruin gameplay?

lazs