Author Topic: Tiger Vs. T34 (Read 1332 times)

TrueKill · « **on:** March 21, 2005, 09:53:22 AM »

Some people got mad early this morning because i was spawncamping and got 54 kills. They where saying i was cheating and my tiger was a super tank beacuse thier T34 shells could not penetrate my Tigers front armor. I told them a T34s shell could not penetrate a Tigers front armor even and piont blank range. After reviewing my film the T34s spawned up at a range of 325-350m. Now here are the stats of the T34 and Tiger.

We have T-34/76 1943 version with the 76.2mm F-34 1942 l/41.2 gun.

Weapon
76.2 mm F-34 L/42.5, L/41.51(1940 & 1942)
Type of Ammunition
BR-350A1 APHE
Weight
6.3 kg1
Velocity
2,150 ft/sec, 662 m/sec
Thickness of armor penetrated (range meters)
1M
90mm
500M
69mm
1000M
61mm

Now the Tiger

Armor Thickness (mm)

Hull Front, Upper
100
102@20°
100@10°

Hull Front, Lower
82
60-80
80@0°

Turret Front
100-120
100@0°-11°
100@8°
Mantlet: 100-110@0°

So as you can see the only thing they could have penetrated at 1M was the lower front hull IF it wasnt slanted. But they where at 325-350m, so like i said then there was no way they could have killed me in thier T34s. If u dont beleave me go HERE

1redrum · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2005, 10:06:17 AM »

klink and i have posted many times about this subject,the 34 is no match for a tiger at best u can track it after repeted hits to the same drive sprocket....good thing the King tiger hasent been added

1Klink · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2005, 10:11:11 AM »

Why would they be mad,you needed the practice shooting vehicles that don,t move and can,t see you.

God forbid you actually park between the base and the spawn point and battle them as they come in.

Spawn camping is for people that need to pad thier scores.

Spawn camping only gets you 1 thing anyway"EGGED"!

TrueKill · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2005, 10:23:32 AM »

Well when you are defeding a V-Base for 3 hours and nonstop GVs coming in you get fed up and go spawn camp,so they can see its camped and dont come back. But it backfired on me.

I killed one then two poped up so I Kill them then three poped up so I killed them. rince and repeat untill you use all 92AP rounds and have to call squadies in so you can get the hell outa there. And yes it takes skill and a good GVer to spawn camp a heavy spawn.I u want ill post the film so you can see how fast they where uping.

[EDIT] They where moving and yes they could see me. In the film you cant hear or see them shooting , but i got HIT once and had about 25-30 bounces.

mechanic · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2005, 11:05:21 AM »

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Originally posted by TrueKill
Well when you are defeding a V-Base for 3 hours and nonstop GVs coming in you get fed up and go spawn camp,so they can see its camped and dont come back. But it backfired on me. I killed one then two poped up so I Kill them then three poped up so I killed them. rince and repeat untill you use all 92AP rounds and have to call squadies in so you can get the hell outa there. And yes it takes skill and a good GVer to spawn camp a heavy spawn.I u want ill post the film so you can see how fast they where uping.

[EDIT] They where moving and yes they could see me. In the film you cant hear or see them shooting , but i got HIT once and had about 25-30 bounces.

unbelieveable that you think anything to do with spawn camping takes skill.

spawn camping is almost as bad as HO'ing everyone in you Bf109..........er....nevermin d, carry on.

TrueKill · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2005, 11:08:10 AM »

dont for get my 190:rofl

palef · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2005, 01:08:52 PM »

I saw that exchange Truekill, and to your eternal credit you didn't get personal despite some of the behaviour being exhibited by one of your erstwhile foes.

You were completely right last night, and I was tempted to edge into the conversation, but you just didn't need any help. Good Job.

~~Voch5~~

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2005, 01:25:14 PM »

T34/76 was just about pretty helpless vs Tiger I in real life too, they could damage the Tigers because the RL damage model is rather more complex than AH but it was not an easy fight for the 34s. Thats why Tiger I is perked and T34 is not....

jaxxo · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2005, 02:29:47 PM »

spawn campin to defend a heavily attacked base is fair enough. Some people will sit there for HOURS at a time, I get bored after 5minutes if no tanks show up.

TrueKill · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2005, 02:31:18 PM »

Ok here it is AHF file 30mins long 3mb right click and save as HERE

[EDIT] about 30-45mins after the film they took V52 me and ETA where on the base so we setup and poped em when they rolled outa the hanger so the m3 could roll in. sry didnt film this one but i did get a SS

2stony · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:13:19 PM »

I think a possible solution is to give the T-34 the 85mm gun like it had later in the war.

1redrum · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:18:45 PM »

yes the 85 mm would even it up a bit ,,luv that suggestion

iKo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2005, 03:55:05 PM »

TrueKill is right about the stats of the Tigers armor. All that’s great but as long as the other aspects are equal and fare. Like the Tiger had a very slow moving turret slower than most tanks moved and the tiger could be easily out flanked.
What I don’t like is the spawn should be protected so that at least you can get the engine started before you get killed. It takes to long to spawn out in the open before you can even move. This is the only problem I have with spawn camping. Or at least have the tanks spawned a part some not all in one spot always.

Pongo · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2005, 04:55:28 PM »

Out flanking the tiger is irrelivent. I dont think the in game T34 can kill it from the rear or side from 10 feet. Which is incorrect as far as I know.

SunTracker · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2005, 05:07:27 PM »

Found the website: M-8 destroying Tiger

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/5096/upgtiger.htm

The ability to destroy a Tiger I from other than the front is described in a wartime report from the 7th Armored Division while in Belgium in December of 1944:

While northern and eastern flanks had been heavily engaged, the northeastern section had been rather quiet. The only excitement there had been was when an M8 armored car from "E" Troop destroyed a Tiger tank. The armored car had been in a concealed position at right angles to run along a trail in front of the MLR. As the tank passed the armored car, the M8 slipped out of position and started up the trail behind the Tiger, accelerating in an attempt to close. At the same moment the German tank commander saw the M8, and started traversing his gun to bear on the armored car. It was a race between the Americans who were attempting to close so that their puny 37-mm would be effective in the Tiger’s "Achilles heel" (its thin rear armor), and the Germans who were desperately striving to bring their "88" to bear … Suddenly, the M8 had closed to 25 yards, and quickly pumped in 3 rounds… the lumbering Tiger stopped, shuddered; there was a muffled explosion, followed by flames which bellowed out of the turret and engine ports, after which the armored car returned to its position.