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Offline RedTop

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« on: March 21, 2005, 08:35:57 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151085,00.html


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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2005, 08:41:28 PM »
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151085,00.html


Sometimes I think the world is getting crazier and crazier.


yep...they actually foiled a plot to do similar in new brunswick recently...

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2005, 08:51:27 PM »
Wow. I live like 30 miles from that place.

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2005, 08:52:03 PM »
Sometimes I think the world is getting crazier and crazier.
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I've been thinking the exact same thing for about 25 years now.

And I believe it's true!
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2005, 08:59:40 PM »
It's to bad, I wonder what set the kid off...

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2005, 09:06:02 PM »
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It's to bad, I wonder what set the kid off...


Not sure...sad tho
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2005, 09:21:09 PM »
Enter the pro-gun control people, followed by gun fanboys flaming the pro-gun control people. Seems to me 2 of these in 6 years indicates something of a problem. Glad I live in Canada.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2005, 09:57:41 PM »
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Enter the pro-gun control people, followed by gun fanboys flaming the pro-gun control people. Seems to me 2 of these in 6 years indicates something of a problem. Glad I live in Canada.


There has only been two but I think they have stopped somewhere around 10 of them.

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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2005, 11:22:29 PM »
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Glad I live in Canada.


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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2005, 12:37:17 AM »
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Enter the pro-gun control people, followed by gun fanboys flaming the pro-gun control people. Seems to me 2 of these in 6 years indicates something of a problem. Glad I live in Canada.


Good for you, now stay there please.  

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and THIS won't be in the Armed Citizen either
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2005, 02:41:42 AM »
Ah yes. I thought someone would have beaten to me to it, so I won't start my own thread.

Condolences to the bereaved in Red Lake.

Redtop - it's not that the WORLD is getting crazier. America is getting crazier. Why do you want to drag the rest of the world into this? It's an American problem, and is the result of a cavalier attitude which prevails in your society with regard to the availability of firearms. I feel a whole gamut of emotions when I read these stories, but surprise is not one of them.

But what are you going to do when you live in a society in which folks openly proclaim that they don't mind if a few thousand people get shot and killed each year, as long as they themselves are allowed to keep and carry firearms. Indeed, some are more than happy with the status quo, and they know who they are.

We had a school shooting in Scotland in 1995.  John Major's government introduced legislation in 1996, and Tony Blair's government finished the job in 1997. Not a perfect solution some might say, but much better than the ostrich method which prevails in your country.

Of course, like all types of legislation, gun control legislation can never be 100% effective, but I'll settle for 98%. Such events are mercifully rare in Britain, so I guess it's having an effect.

But... a couple of years ago, some "gangsters" in the West Midlands were involved in a clash with a rival gang. One gang member fired an automatic weapon, discharging 14 rounds in 4 seconds, and two innocent girls were killed. Within the past few days four of them received life sentences, with the judge's recommendation that they each serve a minimum of 35 years. Let's hope that message gets through.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2005, 04:30:30 AM »
So cue the NRA members gun lovers etc ............


(Beetle we agree on this. I live in Birmingham and work with young people not two miles from where this happened. i have a pretty good idea about the heartache and fear this incident generated)

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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2005, 04:43:26 AM »
There was a study done in NZ. We apparently have a relatively high teen suicide rate:

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New Zealand has the highest male youth suicide rate (15–24 years), and the second highest female youth suicide rate compared to other OECD countries.


And a direct correlation in suicide method was noted to methods available, ie as firearms restrictions came in suicide methods switched to hanging or suffication by exhaust fumes.

I'm sure if NZ kids had access to firearms we'd see the same sort of thing. I'm not sure what you can do about it in the US though.

Sucks to be a kid today, the world is so much more complex.

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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2005, 06:18:37 AM »
I love these "guns bad" threads. When I was a kid guns and knives were much easier to get then today. Heck I cared a rather substantial pocket knife my whole childhood in school, and didn't give it a second thought. I went to high school where there were gun racks in trucks and they had guns in them. But oddly, this sort of thing never happened.To follow some of the arguements of members of this board, we should have had weekly killings.

 I really don't think the HOW of this incident is really whats important. The WHY is what matters. What made this kid snap to this degree that he decided to pursue a bizaare MAD scenario.

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2005, 06:44:16 AM »
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To follow some of the arguements of members of this board, we should have had weekly killings.
Well, this is the second such incident this month, so it's getting to be an almost weekly occurrence.
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What made this kid snap to this degree that he decided to pursue a bizaare MAD scenario.
OK you've dismissed the HOW, and you're concentrating on the WHY. When you've figured that out, let's move onto the WHAT.

What makes it possible for a kid to end nine innocent lives? I had plenty of bad days at school myself, days when I flipped. If I'd had access to a gun, who knows what might have happened! Fortunately, my worst action was to arm myself with a Tate & Lyle syrup tin on a length of string, and to whack my chief tormentor with it as he emerged from the boys' toilets. Didn't know my own strength, and he ended up in hospital. :lol

What happened next was that the headmistress made contact with my parents who had to go to the school. Owing to "previous" I was teetering on the brink of being removed from the school register. Luckily for me I grew up at a time when two-parent families were fashionable, so I had guidance and was made to understand the severity of my actions.

I became nice after that. :) Erm.., well, I did push a wooden stake into the same kid's face two years later, but that was an accident.