Author Topic: Will ToD work or will it be another CT (Read 3370 times)

Skuzzy · « **Reply #105 on:** March 23, 2005, 04:23:01 PM »

humble, my reference was to people saying there is an element in the CT running or ruining other players fun. I have not seen a single complaint from anyone about such things.
So, from my perspective, everything is fine. If that is not then case, then why hasn't anyone made any effort to let us know?

My primary point being, complaining on the bulletin board is not going to fix anything. It never has, and it never will, as it pertains to player interaction.

humble · « **Reply #106 on:** March 23, 2005, 04:50:22 PM »

My issues/comments have been specific to "gameplay" not conduct. If you have an arena with limited numbers....usually less than 10 a side and 8 of the ten guys on "side A" are grouped togeather "steamrolling" bases certain issues evolve.

I honestly cant say that element is "running" or even "ruining" the CT unless your looking at #'s and quality of game play. The normal reaction of a "single" is to up a plane and head to the nearest DAR bar. Normally he knows he's going to be outnumbered...in fact expects it. Now "before" even if you had an imbalance you had some kind of a code of conduct. I can remember numerous times watching a 1 on 2...often with 2 or 3 other guys till it finished...meaning both of "our" guys were down before engaging...or augering to switch...to find 3 other guys augered and someone had to auger back. Now you see guys piling on making it 7,8 or more on 1. Thats not just from me...its a common statement in the CT threads....

Obviously there are alot of guys who are passionate about the CT (well given the total #'s there)...and have some aversion to the MA. But there are alot more (I bet a couple hundred) who would fly the CT but anytime they pop in and see the roster they shrug and leave thinking its same old same old....I've popped in 5 or 6 times over the last 2 months (only when 16 or more showing)...and its the same crew as always...so I dont bother.

And as gritz recalls I did fly there alot...way before alot of these guys ever heard of the CT (not all obviously).

Whats funny is I'm the "protypical" CT flier...I pulled up my numbers and using "kills in"...

#1 Ki-61
#2 P-47 (25 & 11)
#3 P-51
#4 P-38J

3 of the 4 are mid war planes....now I do fly the lala and tempest as well (usually when we getting really ganged)...

I fly alone and at 10k or so and often end up in a 1 on 4 or more.

So if the enviornment gets to me I honestly think its worse for 90% of the player base for a couple of reasons...

1st I'm reasonably competent...I usually can put up a pretty good fight even outnumbered.

2 I'm "old school" so score in the AH sense doesnt matter to me at all. I fly all over in my Ki, Jug, -1 hog looking for a 1 on 1...any plane any alt...just lets go. I'm happy either way if its good fight...in fact last two I posted on BBS I lost....one to relic other to doom. both were great great fights. So I know the outcome never bothers me....

I actually find the MA to be more "old school" then the CT as of now...and most of the old school guys fly there...not the CT.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #107 on:** March 23, 2005, 05:18:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Westy

The CT is not a good example of an historical setting in the least. Why? Because it is just another "MA" but with slightly different rules As such it does not appeal to MA players and yet it lacks a decent historical environment

TOD is, I believe, going to be like an "Aces over The Pacific/Europe - European Air War- IL2: ONLINE" And that will appeals to a LOT of people I'll wager.

It's purpose is not to offer the current MA subscriber base another gameplay option. I'm sure some of those players will like it but from what I gather it's audience will be mainly people who buy box sims such as IL2, EAW and the Aces series. People who want, and will pay, to experience WWII air combat against people and not all AI in an historical setting all while roleplaying as Bong, Bader, Sakai or Galland.

From what I understand about it, I think that is the best description so far.

bj229r · « **Reply #108 on:** March 23, 2005, 07:47:05 PM »

I didnt wish to seem like a 'piler-on-er', but having SQUADS in an arena where there are often 15-20 guys (or gals) total, ensures there wont be even sides, as squad loyalty usually precludes switching to even up sides, as USED to be the case--That leaves ya with 10-12 guys beating up the 2 or 3 nmy's like narcs at a Hell's Angels meeting, making for a generally unfavorable experience for the potential new blood;

dedalos · « **Reply #109 on:** March 24, 2005, 08:59:50 AM »

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Originally posted by bj229r
I didnt wish to seem like a 'piler-on-er', but having SQUADS in an arena where there are often 15-20 guys (or gals) total, ensures there wont be even sides, as squad loyalty usually precludes switching to even up sides, as USED to be the case--That leaves ya with 10-12 guys beating up the 2 or 3 nmy's like narcs at a Hell's Angels meeting, making for a generally unfavorable experience for the potential new blood;

And to make sure no one ever comes back, they put flacks on the runways of the enemy fields and wait for hours until some guy logs into the CT just so they can get that one vulch kill per hour.

YUCCA · « **Reply #110 on:** March 24, 2005, 09:42:24 AM »

cant we all just get along?

TDeacon · « **Reply #111 on:** March 24, 2005, 11:32:07 PM »

Skuzzy,

When I first tried the CT, numbers were still low, but the quality of the players was generally good (in terms of civility). Haven't been in the CT for awhile, but last few times there did seem to be less civil behavior, and more consistent gang-banging.

Although this behavior wasn't to my taste, it wasn't totally outrageous, so I didn't bother with screen shots.

The suggestion that this change for the worse is a "squad" thing is interesting and plausible. This could explain the gang-banging, and the attitude that anyone outside the group (squad) is fair game for uncivil treatment.

Schaden · « **Reply #112 on:** March 25, 2005, 04:35:05 AM »

I'm hoping that TOD will be like having one of the big Scenario's running all the time that you can hop into when you like.

GreenCloud · « **Reply #113 on:** March 25, 2005, 02:04:24 PM »

ok...well..

If you dotn have an idea what TOD will be,...Do a search..HTC has told us the general idea..adn I love it

Huge msiions..battling each other

Air Starts..If we dotn have them..TOD will die...You know why?

I take it you havent flown in the old TODs..now called Squad OIps or whatever....

Ok taking off in Ju88s and grabbing to 2ok..just to get jumped and mauled and killed by 26k spitfires or soemother single engine killer..IS HORRIBLE>.....I spent an hour in Squad ops grabn..just to get mauled.....You knwo what?..I hate that and wont WASTE MY TIEM AGAIN

Tell me why air starts or so bad jackal?.....Ill giev you one example..

LArge Buff raid......Airstart b-24s over Englad at 20K.......Germans get there airstart at same alt... over there coutry..Now we can be in a battle with in 20 mins...

who wants to grab in buffs for 30 min?....NO ONE

AI.....Thsi is going to be a must

1 msiion....Allies flying escorts for AI buff otw to bom Dresden...Axis can fly ther 110s...109's 163s..or whatevere..

Having Bomber drones is complty exceptable....Killing AI's..protecting AI's whiel real life pilots in ftrs try to kill you..or protect the buffs...

Sounds excellnt

as the Hijack for CT..I have been there maybe 6 times in the last year plus....

2 observations....

1) way low numbers ..sucks lookn for fights
2) I find an nme..im in a zero..hes in p38....heactaully rusn all the way home...weee..ya ..thats no fun..I leave CT and go to MA..

but hey..I dont liek flying more then 5 miels for a fite

Cobra412 · « **Reply #114 on:** March 25, 2005, 04:14:00 PM »

TDeacon has hit it on the head. Their actions aren't totally outrageous in there but it's not worth dealing with them. I was in the arena for no more than 3 minutes or so when the first MA player bashing comments were coming out of the "crew".

The CT also ends up being a huge lopsided fight. It's been like that every night I have gone over there. It's almost always a 2 to 1 ratio. Even with those odds it always seems to end up having atleast 2 more folks jumping into an already lopsided engagement. The "crew" will hover over a base and wait for someone climbing out. Then they will all jump on the single con giving them absolutely no chance of survival.

Frankly your guaranteed to hear some kind of MA player bashing if you come in to play in the CT for a little while. They almost always scream about etiquette and that the MA players should take their gamey crap back to the MA. When at the same time they are bouncing a single con with 2 or more players everytime. They are failing to even try to even up the sides some. Especially when the ratio turns to 3 on 1 or more. What's even better is the same folks screaming go back to the MA will pull the same "gamey" crap they are whining about in the first place.

In the end it's easier to leave the "crew" and the CT so they can play alone in "their" little world. It's rather sad when the DA and TA get more players than the CT gets on a regular basis.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #115 on:** March 25, 2005, 06:53:58 PM »

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Originally posted by GreenCloud

Tell me why air starts or so bad jackal?.....Ill giev you one example..

LArge Buff raid......Airstart b-24s over Englad at 20K.......Germans get there airstart at same alt... over there coutry..Now we can be in a battle with in 20 mins...

who wants to grab in buffs for 30 min?

Well, if that is what the people want that are interested in TOD, then if I was HT I`d put it that way.
Like I said before, I`m am less than interested in TOD to begin with because I`m just not much of a box gamer. Never have been.
What I was sayiing, is if , and that`s a big IF, some of the people that I value their opinion thought it was the total cat`s meow, then I might be lured in for a try.
If it was air start , that would be the cincher. Way I look at it , you go to all this trouble and time to make it as realistic as possible so you would get as close as possible to total immersion, then add air starts POOF the whole deal would be shot to hell. That`s just the way I look at it. If I were going to get involved in something like this for the realism , then 30 minutes climbing would only add to realism.
To each his own. I`m not interested anyway .

GreenCloud · « **Reply #116 on:** March 27, 2005, 10:37:11 PM »

wow..too each his own is sure right

you want to do a walk around also?..test fuel?..check oil..

I want to Fight

I like realism..but we have to balance

Jackal1 · « **Reply #117 on:** March 28, 2005, 07:24:48 AM »

Testing the fuel and checking the oil might be a good way to enjoy that first cup of coffee. rofl
I have about a half case of Valvoline aircraft oil. Would be a pain trying to figure out how to convert it to virtual though.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #118 on:** March 28, 2005, 12:44:30 PM »

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Originally posted by killnu
last time i was in there, i called more names in the 1/2 i was there than a whole night in the MA. they told me to go back to MA, so i did. i dont understand why the CT guys post how great it is, or wish they had more participation, yet when new guys(me) come in, they insult them and tell them to go back to MA. one heck of a recruiting style there.

CT needs fixing. But it won't happen until the owners step in. Fact is, I suspect it's never been very high on the priority list so don't expect too much for now. The MA still is a lot of fun.

Will have to wait and see how TOD turns out. Might be great!

Ren
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