Author Topic: Invincable Tiger (Read 1268 times)

Vaulcan1 · « **on:** March 22, 2005, 06:31:42 PM »

Just a quick note to say me and two other spit IX's droped 2000lb's of bombs each on a tiger and it still stodd with its engine running,

Anyone else ever done this?

Morpheus · « **Reply #1 on:** March 22, 2005, 06:45:43 PM »

Maybe it had good valve springs?

Kweassa · « **Reply #2 on:** March 22, 2005, 06:47:45 PM »

Or maybe the bomb missed?

XrightyX · « **Reply #3 on:** March 22, 2005, 07:12:32 PM »

I have often wondered about the survivability of tigers from air attacks. But it doesn't really matter what the vehicle goes through:

I'm guessing that a 1000 lb bomb dropping within a 20 ft radius of a GV would turn the crew's brains into pudding. Just the shockwave, no shrapnel damage, etc.

Not sure if there's been any testing in RL on this, LOL.

kevykev56 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 22, 2005, 10:57:31 PM »

This may not be the same type of bomb used in WW2, but if I remember correctly it was only a 500lb explosion. Bombs make big holes!

BOOM

Grits · « **Reply #5 on:** March 22, 2005, 11:10:04 PM »

I think thats from a GBU-15 on a Mk84 2000lb bomb.

WMLute · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2005, 11:21:35 PM »

they were in spit 9's. so 2 250 2 500lbs egg. they 500lbs can take out a tiger, but the 250's gota hit RIGHT on.

lot easier w/ 2k. just get real close.

Oleg · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2005, 01:18:16 AM »

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Originally posted by XrightyX
I'm guessing that a 1000 lb bomb dropping within a 20 ft radius of a GV would turn the crew's brains into pudding. Just the shockwave, no shrapnel damage, etc.

Shockwave dont affect crew inside armor, afaik. It can to turn tank upside-down if bomb will blows really close.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2005, 01:23:14 AM »

A GBU-15 only carries 900+ pounds of explosives. Even on 1000lbs Mk83s the amount of explosive is still under half the weight of the munition. Yet they still make extremely large holes in the ground.

BALSUR · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2005, 06:37:26 AM »

Maybe you should check out Ian Gooderson's book
"Air power at the Battlefield" London, 1998

At the battle of La Baleine, RAF pilots claimed to have destroyed 17 outof 50 tanks. ORS teams went in and to investigate the claims. They found no destroyed armor from air attack. If fact they found 500 lb craters in a orchard 50 yards from 2 panthers, neither of which had any damage.

At Falaise Pocket, The RAF claimed 124 tanks and the US claimed nearly 400 vehicles destroyed. When the ORS teams investigated they found only 33 had fallen victom to air attack.

At Shambles Area, 1411 tanks were claimed as destroyed. ORS teams inspected 82 and only 2 had damage from air attack.

At Seine, RAF pilots claim 222 tanks destroyed upon investigation only 10 reflected air attack damage.

At the Ardennes, 9th AF and RAF 2nd TAF claimed 324 tanks destroyed. ORS teams investigated and found 1 tank to be knocked out by a bomb and 4 by rockets. The report shows bomb craters within 15 yards of tanks with no additional damage.

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Operation GoodWood, Captain Freimarch Von Rosen, had 12 tiger tanks of the 503. During a 2 hour bombardment by 2100 allied bombers. Tank losses were Unteroffizer Westerhousen's tank suffers a direct hit and catches fire. Oberfeldwebel Sach's tiger gets overturned and another tiger drives into a bomb crater and cant be recovered.

I guess be thankful you can kill tigers and panzers in Aces High with bombs and rockets because it doesn't seem like they were very successful at it during WW2.

Kweassa · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2005, 06:56:26 AM »

I remember past discussions about this subkect with Pyro.

I distinctly remember Pyro commenting that people overestimate the power of 'nearby blasts' of bomb drops. IIRC, Pyro mentioned that most of the blast effect dissipates into the air vertically, and does not spread out horizontally.

I hope someone's got good searching skills, because I'm terrible at digging old stuff up.

TexMurphy · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2005, 07:06:26 AM »

Chockwaves giving "pilot wounds" to GV driver would be really nice...

mechanic · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2005, 07:34:33 AM »

haha rhino, cool film.

althought that was in what looked like mud, or wet sand, so a hole would not be that big on hard land.

CPorky · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2005, 07:34:35 AM »

I'd be curious how many of those listed above were knocked out of action until ground crews saw to them. Shermans were often fixed up, hosed out, and re-issued to new tank crews.

In fact, I recently had a patient who was a Tank Commander in the 3rd Armored Div, from what he told me 2 of his Purple Hearts were from tanks shot out from under him. Both of those tanks were returned to service later, minus a few men...

Its not that I question your sources, I'm just naturally inquisitive.

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Originally posted by BALSUR
I guess be thankful you can kill tigers and panzers in Aces High with bombs and rockets because it doesn't seem like they were very successful at it during WW2.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2005, 07:40:34 AM »

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Originally posted by XrightyX
I have often wondered about the survivability of tigers from air attacks. But it doesn't really matter what the vehicle goes through:

I'm guessing that a 1000 lb bomb dropping within a 20 ft radius of a GV would turn the crew's brains into pudding. Just the shockwave, no shrapnel damage, etc.

Not sure if there's been any testing in RL on this, LOL.

Well ya sure as hell werent bombing my tank.

Tanks Im in seem to get knocked out by 100 lbers under tree cover and 50 yards away