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« on: March 23, 2005, 09:49:25 AM »
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Gaddafi calls Israelis, Palestinians idiots
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ALGIERS - Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi grabbed the spotlight at an Arab summit today, calling Israelis and Palestinians idiots for seeking separate states and saying the U.N. Security Council was a terrorist organization.

The Algerian hosts of the two-day meeting gave the maverick leader a star role on the closing day, allowing him to vent at length on Arab grievances about international relations.

He said the world should thank Syria for maintaining peace in Lebanon and argued that what he called "Islamic terrorism" was mainly the result of the West's cultural arrogance.

The Arab leaders are expected to relaunch later in the day an Arab peace plan offering Israel normal relations in return for withdrawal to the 1967 borders and a Palestinian state.

But Gaddafi went against the grain, preaching the minority view that the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is for the two peoples to live together in a single state.

His targets, including Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, and Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari, took it lightly, chuckling at his one-hour speech.

But he drew sustained applause for airing views which many Arabs express in private but which their leaders rarely utter in public. Among the dignataries present was U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, whose own speech was conventionally diplomatic.

Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika, the host of the summit, hailed Gaddafi's frankness, if not his statesmanship.

"I believe most of his opinions and ideas are real and correct but the difference...is that I am responsible for the state and the people," he said.

"If an ordinary person (speaks like that) it doesn't matter, but I am responsible and I do not want to harm my people."

Gaddafi said Israel had no right to exist because the Palestinian inhabitants of the country never accepted it.

But he added: "I cannot recognise either the Palestinian state or the Israeli state. Don't be angry, Abu Mazen, but the Palestinians are idiots and the Israelis are idiots."

The Israelis were wrong to try to hold on to the West Bank in the face of Palestinian attacks and the Palestinians were wrong not to have set up their own state after 1948, he said.

"OPPRESSION AND INJUSTICE"

"The solution I think is to have a single state. We cannot have two states," added Gaddafi, who noted that he is now the longest serving Arab leader. He took power in 1969.

Gaddafi dismissed the argument that poverty is at the root of violence by militant Islamists and pinned the blame on "oppression, injustice, arrogance, insults, contempt and the humiliation of this (Arab) nation."

"How come we are considered to be children, with no law or social relations? ... This creates a million bin Ladens."

"Listen to us," he said, addressing Europe and the United States. "If you ignore us, you will lose in the end... If they want to combat terrorism, they should respect the Arab world."

The Arab summit agreed to back Egypt in a bid for a seat on the U.N. Security Council but Gaddafi said they should work instead to enhance the authority of the General Assembly.

"This is a terror council, not a security council. It is a terrorist organisation. Why should we expand it?" he asked.

After a final closed session, the Arab monarchs and presidents will relaunch their Middle East peace initiative of 2002, to send the world a message of peaceful intentions.

Israel said on Monday that the plan was a "non-starter" and Arab states should start negotiations without conditions.

The Arab summit will send a small group of Arab leaders to present the plan to the Quartet of international mediators -- the United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia, Abbas told reporters.

Annan told the Arab leaders, including Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, that the killing of Lebanese former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri might need more investigation, beyond an initial U.N. inquiry, whose findings he will release soon.

He also said he expected Syria to withdraw all its troops from Lebanon in time for parliamentary elections in May.

But Gaddafi warned: "When Syria troops pull out, you'll see what will happen. It's better to have the guns of Syria than the guns of other regional countries."

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2005, 10:11:13 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2005, 10:29:37 AM »
And this man's opinions matter, why? :confused:

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2005, 10:40:55 AM »
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
And this man's opinions matter, why? :confused:


Because he's a head of state in a region plagued by violence.. and he's calling people idiots.

I thought it was funny enough to merit posting. :)

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2005, 11:12:52 AM »
Geographically, he's only a few hundred miles short. Judging by his ideology and political stances (which, granted, are improving.. only took 30 years) he might as well be right in the middle.

I won't even be a salamander and play the fun, "I never said what region!" game :) Cuz then I could bring up Chadian rebels, the Aozou Strip, funding of terrorists, Lockerbie, or all the land Libya has claimed from Algeria & Niger.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2005, 12:41:01 PM »
He's barmy. Though don't any of you ever wonder why Israelis and Palistinians couldn't have just learned to get on with each other in the first place?:rolleyes: :)

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2005, 03:37:14 PM »
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He's barmy. Though don't any of you ever wonder why Israelis and Palistinians couldn't have just learned to get on with each other in the first place?:rolleyes: :)


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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2005, 03:50:44 PM »
Haha.

Am I the only one thinking that he's at least partially right, and it's about time someone in the region actually came out and said what they're all thinking?  Sure, every bully claims that they do it to get respect, but nearly EVERYONE has been supporting either Israel or the Palestinians out of pure political expediency rather than out of any true moral conviction.

Seriously, Syria HAS kept the peace in Lebanon after the US got kicked out, and whether or not they really did have anything to do with the recent assasination, they're getting shown the door without so much as a thanks-for-coming handshake.  It's the same thing that happens to anyone who tries to do any good in regions where they've been fighting each other for thousands of years, will be perfectly happy to keep fighting over stupid crap for another thousand years, and get insulted when any adults step in and try to separate the fighters and protect the (relatively) innocent.

At least in Iraq, the citizenry seem to be willing to start taking responsibility for themselves so maybe we can leave that place in one piece.

Kudos to Gaddafi for getting tired of the nonsense and speaking his mind.  Whether or not you agree with him, what he said and did is in itself a mini-revolution in mideast politics.  Plain talk... what a concept.  Mebbie this dude watches Booosh too much eh?
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2005, 07:34:19 PM »
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Geographically Greece is closer than Libya, and Libya is hardly "plagued by violence". Lockerbie is not in Libya you know ;).

1986 was a bad year for Gaddafi though ... 1988 he replied with Lockerbie. But that is another discussion.


How can he call Palistinians idiots, they don't exist. Palistine is a figment of British imagination. It didn't exist until the Brits made it up in the early part of the Twentyth Century. The Arabs couldn't even pronounce it calling it (Falistin) as if it where some kind of ancestral homeland. The land that is now Isreal is the "Land of Canan" And has changed hands through the centuries. But it was never "Palistine" until some Brit General pulled it out of his bellybutton a few years ago. It is what the "Palistinians call the occupied territories...no chit, it's gonna stay that way to.

He replied with Lockerbie? He said he had nothing to do with that.
And replied to whom? Oh maybe the line of death across the Gulf of Sidra...the downed Migs....his personal tent hit with 2000 lb. high explosives. Or was he pissed at something somebody said. Well he attacked small Scotland to prove his Machismo to his Arab buddies, that he now calls Idiots.
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2005, 08:01:10 PM »
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But it was never "Palistine" until some Brit General pulled it out of his bellybutton a few years ago. It is what the "Palistinians call the occupied territories...no chit, it's gonna stay that way to.

 


My mother and uncles would all dissgree with you on this point as they were all taught in school that it was call palistine.
This was back n the 40's.

Unless your really really old and consider 60 years ago a "few years":)
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2005, 08:14:36 PM »
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How can he call Palistinians idiots, they don't exist.


They do.

They are the native inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza strip.

You might have some objection to the name, but that is how the rest of the world defines them.

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Palistine is a figment of British imagination. It didn't exist until the Brits made it up in the early part of the Twentyth Century.


No, you'll find the Romans called the area that (or something very close to it), as did the ancient Greeks. You'll also find Mark Twain calling the area Palestine in his writings on the first Zionist conference in 1897.

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The land that is now Isreal is the "Land of Canan" And has changed hands through the centuries


Notably being in Phillistine hands, which is probably the origin of the name "Palestine".

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It is what the "Palistinians call the occupied territories...no chit, it's gonna stay that way to.


Well, Gaza is unlikely to be occupied after this summer, as to the West Bank, time will tell.

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Am I the only one thinking that he's at least partially right, and it's about time someone in the region actually came out and said what they're all thinking?


Ghaddafi's been touting this idea (he calls it "Israstine") for a few years now.

It's barking mad.

The one thing both the Israelis and Palestinians agree on is they need 2 states, not 1. (Indeed, it's the fear of ending up in a single state with the Palestinians that has kept Israel from annexing the territories it occupies)

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005, 08:32:13 PM »
It's also been said that palistinians will out bread the Isaralis 3 to 1 over the next 10 to 20 years.  If it was a single state the Jews would be a minority very shortly.

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2005, 12:29:01 AM »
He is a good little doggie since we kicked his butt a few yeard back.

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2005, 12:42:46 AM »
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It's also been said that palistinians will out bread the Isaralis 3 to 1 over the next 10 to 20 years.  If it was a single state the Jews would be a minority very shortly.


Yup then all they will haveto to put Isreal in a very sticky political situation internationally is demand the right to vote.

Should be interesting to say the least
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2005, 03:11:51 AM »
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Seriously, Syria HAS kept the peace in Lebanon after the US got kicked out, and whether or not they really did have anything to do with the recent assasination, they're getting shown the door without so much as a thanks-for-coming handshake.

You got to be kidding, right? thanks-for-coming?  :lol

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