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Offline Ripper29

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U.S. deserter loses refugee claim
« on: March 25, 2005, 09:31:01 AM »
U.S. deserter loses refugee claim
Several grounds for appeal of decision, Hinzman's lawyer says
 
Shannon Kari
For CanWest News Service

March 25, 2005


TORONTO - A U.S. soldier who deserted the military because of his opposition to the occupation of Iraq intends to appeal a ruling released Thursday that denied his request for refugee status in Canada.

An Immigration and Refugee Board adjudicator found that Jeremy Hinzman does not have a "well-founded" fear of prosecution and is not a person "in need of protection" if deported to the United States.

The adjudicator, Brian Goodman, also turned down refugee bids by Hinzman's wife and their two-year-old son, who arrived in Canada with the former infantryman in January 2004.

"I find that Jeremy Hinzman is not a conscientious objector because he is not opposed to war in any form, or to the bearing of arms in all circumstances due to his genuine political, religious or moral convictions," Goodman wrote.

The adjudicator also found that a potential penalty of between one to five years in jail if Hinzman is deported and prosecuted by the U.S. army "is not grossly disproportionate to the inherent seriousness of the offence of desertion."

Hinzman, 26, was a member of the 82nd Airborne Division when he deserted the army a few weeks before he was scheduled to be sent to Iraq. He is the first U.S. soldier to apply for refugee status in Canada as a result of the war in Iraq.

His lawyer, Jeffry House, said Thursday that while he is disappointed with the ruling, he believes there are a number of grounds to seek leave to appeal the decision to the Federal Court of Canada.

"The obvious basis of appeal is that they would not let us bring evidence that the war in Iraq is illegal," House said.

"You should not be sent to jail for refusing to do something that is illegal."

Goodman ruled last November that the legality of the war in Iraq was "not relevant" to the questions the board was required to answer in deciding whether Hinzman and his family qualified as refugees.

However, House said there are a number of precedents for looking at the legality of the U.S. actions in Iraq. He said the Immigration and Refugee Board has previously accepted refugee claims by soldiers who deserted the Serbian army and Russian soldiers who did not want to serve in Chechnya.

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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2005, 10:21:45 AM »
In other news, a Victoria Cross and a postumous Medal of Honor have recently come out of the war in Iraq.

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Re: U.S. deserter loses refugee claim
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2005, 11:37:22 AM »
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Originally posted by Ripper29
U.S. deserter loses refugee claim
Several grounds for appeal of decision, Hinzman's lawyer says
 
Shannon Kari
For CanWest News Service

March 25, 2005


TORONTO - A U.S. soldier who deserted the military because of his opposition to the occupation of Iraq intends to appeal a ruling released Thursday that denied his request for refugee status in Canada.

An Immigration and Refugee Board adjudicator found that Jeremy Hinzman does not have a "well-founded" fear of prosecution and is not a person "in need of protection" if deported to the United States.

The adjudicator, Brian Goodman, also turned down refugee bids by Hinzman's wife and their two-year-old son, who arrived in Canada with the former infantryman in January 2004.

"I find that Jeremy Hinzman is not a conscientious objector because he is not opposed to war in any form, or to the bearing of arms in all circumstances due to his genuine political, religious or moral convictions," Goodman wrote.

The adjudicator also found that a potential penalty of between one to five years in jail if Hinzman is deported and prosecuted by the U.S. army "is not grossly disproportionate to the inherent seriousness of the offence of desertion."

Hinzman, 26, was a member of the 82nd Airborne Division when he deserted the army a few weeks before he was scheduled to be sent to Iraq. He is the first U.S. soldier to apply for refugee status in Canada as a result of the war in Iraq.

His lawyer, Jeffry House, said Thursday that while he is disappointed with the ruling, he believes there are a number of grounds to seek leave to appeal the decision to the Federal Court of Canada.

"The obvious basis of appeal is that they would not let us bring evidence that the war in Iraq is illegal," House said.

"You should not be sent to jail for refusing to do something that is illegal."

Goodman ruled last November that the legality of the war in Iraq was "not relevant" to the questions the board was required to answer in deciding whether Hinzman and his family qualified as refugees.

However, House said there are a number of precedents for looking at the legality of the U.S. actions in Iraq. He said the Immigration and Refugee Board has previously accepted refugee claims by soldiers who deserted the Serbian army and Russian soldiers who did not want to serve in Chechnya.

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And the American frogs are telling me that Canada is not occupied by the USA ? :rolleyes:
At least some Canadian judges are bought by the Pentagon.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2005, 12:24:32 PM »
KEWL let him face the music.

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2005, 01:17:31 PM »
He made his bed, it's now time for him to be held responsible for his actions.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2005, 01:34:02 PM »
I'm not at all surprised by the ruling and agree with it.

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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2005, 01:43:19 PM »
Joining the military and then deserting when you have to fight is about as weak as it gets. Do we still use a firing squad by any chance? Might teach these punks there is a right way to object to the war and then the ***** bellybutton way.

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2005, 01:46:28 PM »
I don't...It takes ballz to raise a family and stand up to the military industrial complex.

Goodbye trust in government.
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2005, 01:51:41 PM »
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I don't...It takes ballz to raise a family and stand up to the military industrial complex.

Goodbye trust in government.



Really?

I wonder why he joined up? He's just a loser who tried to get out of doing the job he signed up for.

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2005, 01:53:25 PM »
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I don't...It takes ballz to raise a family and stand up to the military industrial complex.

Goodbye trust in government.



But he didn't stand up to the "military industrial complex".  He ran from it.

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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2005, 01:55:14 PM »
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But he didn't stand up to the "military industrial complex".  He ran from it.


exactly! I was coming back here to say just that Thrawn.

Anyone who thinks the guy did some nobel act must be off his rocker.
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2005, 02:01:39 PM »
Did that guy even go to Iraq? or did he just up and run?

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2005, 02:10:59 PM »
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Hinzman, 26, was a member of the 82nd Airborne Division when he deserted the army a few weeks before he was scheduled to be sent to Iraq.


Before.

Slo will probably take him in and hide him. It'll all turn out OK.
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2005, 02:11:11 PM »
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Did that guy even go to Iraq? or did he just up and run?


He didn't serve in Iraq, but he did serve in Afghanistan.

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2005, 02:11:16 PM »
No..You sign up expecting that ur Government won't start some illegall war and put good men in harms way...

But I guess ya gotta move the millitary invantory every decade or so(usually not long after Republicans get elected...we get one of these "New World Order"..wars/invasions)

and where is Osama?..

and where was GWB?..son of a famous pilot..ducks outta service

A coward with power..nothing more frightening
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