Author Topic: Here it is! assaultweaponswatch (Read 2474 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 28, 2005, 08:18:19 AM »

sheesh... the lefty disinformation league is doing it's job.

No legal fully automatic weapon in the U.S. has been used in a crime in decades.

A min 14 is not "cheap" unless you feel about $800 is "cheap" it is not easily converted to fully automatic.. there were some full auto versions made for the police but the reciever is totally different. has suntracker seen one of these "conversions" or read the ripoff books on how to do it..?

siaf continues to show his ignorance about guns... the least powerful rifles made are the so called "asault weapons" Any hunting rifle legal to kill dear will be more powerful... If a ban were based on power then Hunting would be impossible with rifles. Even some blackpowder antiques have more energy than assualt weapons.

It is allmost impossible to make a succesful conversion of current semi autos into full autos that are not dangerous to the shooter.

My M1 garand has a bayonet lug and 10" bayonet and is a semi auto rifle in a caliber that is almost twice as powerful with twice the range of an assault weapon. It takes half as long to reload as a magazine fed assault rifle and is more accurate at all ranges. At 10 lbs it also makes a great club as well as a firearm and spear. It will also take deer.

I don't mind that you guys are mamma boy pansies but there is no excuse for your being ignorant. You can't blame your mom for that one.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #46 on:** March 28, 2005, 08:27:56 AM »

So an AK 7.62X39 has the same penetrating power as any other cartridge case that uses the 7.62 bullet? Is that what you guys actually believe?

Dago · « **Reply #47 on:** March 28, 2005, 08:36:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Sox62

Betcha you have to obtain certain parts to do the conversion,which you CAN'T legally obtain.

Don't believe me?

Go to a big gunshow,wander around and start asking about "semi-auto conversion kits or parts" for your Mini-14.

Better hope there aren't any ATF working the show when you do.

Actually, last time I checked, it wasn't illegal to own the conversion parts. It was illegal to own them and the gun they go in without registering it as a class 3 weapon.

So, selling them at the gunshow - not illegal.

Why would it make any sense to make the conversion parts illegal, when fully automatic weapons are legal?

But please, go on, lets not reality and fact intrude on the hysteria.

dago

Dago · « **Reply #48 on:** March 28, 2005, 08:38:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
the penetration power of the 7.62mm ammo. Those suckers blast through brick walls like butter.

LOL, good one. Again, lets not let facts intrude.

Sox62 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 28, 2005, 11:11:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Actually, last time I checked, it wasn't illegal to own the conversion parts. It was illegal to own them and the gun they go in without registering it as a class 3 weapon.

So, selling them at the gunshow - not illegal.

Why would it make any sense to make the conversion parts illegal, when fully automatic weapons are legal?

But please, go on, lets not reality and fact intrude on the hysteria.

dago

WRONG.

You can't legally alter ANY semi-auto into a fully automatic weapon.

From what I understand from the 1968 gun control act a class 2 dealer can manufacture machine guns.

You're saying that you can convert your weapon into a fully automatic version,register it and everything is fine.That's not the case.

As for why make conversion kits illegal,I can't answer that one.I didn't make the law.

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt

lazs2 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:53:23 PM »

we have far too much gun control as it is. I would like to see most of the gun control laws we have repealed and no new ones that I can think of.

lazs

SunTracker · « **Reply #51 on:** March 28, 2005, 04:03:31 PM »

Its relatively easy to obtain the automatic conversion kits. Whether they are legal or not is another matter.

Automatic weapons are the weapons of choice for drive-by shootings. How come everyone keeps saying "automatic weapons havent been used in many crimes" when every video of a drive-by I have seen has involved automatic fire?

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #52 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:05:29 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
Its relatively easy to obtain the automatic conversion kits. Whether they are legal or not is another matter.

Automatic weapons are the weapons of choice for drive-by shootings. How come everyone keeps saying "automatic weapons havent been used in many crimes" when every video of a drive-by I have seen has involved automatic fire?

We call those things "Movies". Please note that they are not real for most of us.

Maverick · « **Reply #53 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:24:35 PM »

pwned!

john9001 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:29:24 PM »

rabbit beat me to it,

i wonder where hollywood gets them 500 round mags they use in their guns?

SunTracker · « **Reply #55 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:35:06 PM »

http://komotv.com/news/story.asp?ID=35838

Owned? Yeah right, check this out. A drive by shooting with an AK-47.

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Davis was driving northbound on Washington 167 about 1 a.m. on March 12 when a car pulled alongside him and more than 20 rounds from an AK-47 assault rifle were fired, police said. Two passengers in his vehicle were hospitalized for treatment of gunshot wounds.

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Police have recovered an AK-47 and a vehicle, which was burned.

And heres another
http://www.detnews.com/2002/metro/0203/29/metro-452995.htm

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DETROIT -- Two men were charged Friday with first-degree murder in a drive-by shooting, apparently during a dispute about drug-dealing turf, that killed a 3-year-old girl.
Julian Dale Key, 19, and Cedric Pipes, 21, both face a mandatory sentence of life in prison if convicted, Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Duggan said. They also are charged with three counts of assault with intent to murder and one count of felony firearm.
"Destinee Thomas is a victim of the triple scourge that afflicts too many Detroit neighborhoods," Duggan said. "Drug houses, abandoned houses, gun violence. The cycle just continues."
Destinee was shot in the head March 23 while playing near a window on the second floor of her house.
Officials believe the shooting was in retaliation to a drive-by shooting by two men a day earlier at Key's home. Duggan said police believe Pipes drove, and Key fired an AK-47.
Additional charges could be brought against others with ties to the shooting, Duggan said.
On Friday, Duggan and Detroit Police Jerry Oliver announced the start of "Project Destinee," named in the girl's memory. It is aimed at investigating, arresting and charging people affiliated with both drug dealing operations.
"We're willing to pull back resources from some lesser-important areas to really go after these people who would terrorize -- really terrorize -- our community," Oliver said.

wrag · « **Reply #56 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:53:33 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
Its relatively easy to obtain the automatic conversion kits. Whether they are legal or not is another matter.

Automatic weapons are the weapons of choice for drive-by shootings. How come everyone keeps saying "automatic weapons havent been used in many crimes" when every video of a drive-by I have seen has involved automatic fire?

HUH?????

Weapons of choice?

What video's are you watching? Wasn't even aware such videos of the actual events were ever recorded. Wait are you talkin video's from Hollywood?

You know anything about machine tools? You know anything about what is required to convert these weapons?

We need allot more FACTUAL information please.

wrag · « **Reply #57 on:** March 28, 2005, 06:01:47 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
http://komotv.com/news/story.asp?ID=35838

Owned? Yeah right, check this out. A drive by shooting with an AK-47.

And heres another
http://www.detnews.com/2002/metro/0203/29/metro-452995.htm

I noticed this

Duggan said police believe Pipes drove, and Key fired an AK-47.

I seem to see the word believe...

AK47 ???? God I wish the media would get there nomenclature right. Way too often they get the weapons wrong. Seems all too often anything that even looks like a rifle is an AK47 to them.

I doubt it was actually an AK47. Thinkin it was a semi-auto version as importing the full auto-version was pretty difficult with the laws that are in place.

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #58 on:** March 28, 2005, 06:26:54 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
http://komotv.com/news/story.asp?ID=35838

Owned? Yeah right, check this out. A drive by shooting with an AK-47.

And heres another
http://www.detnews.com/2002/metro/0203/29/metro-452995.htm

Nice effort but nowhere does it say that either of them are full auto so your point remains pointless. The others are also right. The media calls most rifles ak-47's. More than once I watched the reporter show a pictures of a totally different gun and claim it was a ak-47. There are very very few AK-47's in US civilian hands. There are quite a few similar guns such as the mak-90 that look similar but are not full automatic nor can they be converted without machine shop work.

Also, for the record, I have shot many guns full auto including the real ak-47. Outside of movies you are lucky to hit a car beyond a 100ft at full auto. Semi is much deadlier.

weaselsan · « **Reply #59 on:** March 28, 2005, 06:33:41 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
Heres one. My mother works for EMS. Several years ago she was called in on a shooting of a young black man. He had been shot by an AK-47. This happened in Louisville Kentucky.

The purpose of fully automatic weapondry in the military is to suppress the enemy. This means killing people. What purpose would an automatic weapon serve the civilian population?

Suntracker I don't know what planet you have been living on but fully automatic weapons have been illegal since the early 1930's. An AK-47 is illegal to own. Semi-automatic weapons are still legal,