Author Topic: Here it is! assaultweaponswatch (Read 2448 times)

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #75 on:** March 28, 2005, 08:17:14 PM »

ya , I know...

Thats the trick... they group tons of unrelated stuff into one big pile then claim the whole is responsible for the few. Sun is taking it one step further by claiming semi auto weapons are the same as full auto. Furthermore, he seems to think full auto is commonly used by criminals when in fact there are very few instances of it. Not to mention those few intances are illegal weapons not legal ones being used improperly.

Mav,

Don't waste your time on weas, he seems intent on showing the world that he is a jerk.

Russian · « **Reply #76 on:** March 28, 2005, 08:34:19 PM »

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Actually, an AK-47 is fully automatic. The name AK stands for Automatic Kalashnakov.

Also AK47 was developed in year 47, test run in 49. In 58 it was redesigned to AKM. Within US you cannot buy Russian made AK47 due to arm ban with Russia-USA (there are few made it across pond). So where exactly did they get 47 model? As others said, media names AK47 anything resembling evil looking weapon.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #77 on:** March 28, 2005, 08:34:26 PM »

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Originally posted by weaselsan
To get a license for a full auto it takes dang near an act of congress.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong. It`s no biggy if you can pass the background check.

john9001 · « **Reply #78 on:** March 28, 2005, 10:32:50 PM »

the AK74 is the new model

wombatt · « **Reply #79 on:** March 29, 2005, 12:35:04 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
If it is a true AK-47, then yes. I know of no Russian made AK-47s that are semi-automatic.

Then you have never seen a "russian" AK-47 LOL.
They have a selector switch much like the M-16 A-1 and A-2.

Russian · « **Reply #80 on:** March 29, 2005, 12:52:11 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Actually that's the 30 year old model. The AK74 is being replaced in Russian service by the AN-94

Yep, it's for regular units. I like this one better though.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as10-r.htm

Can penetrate Class 3 armor at 300 meters with proper ammo. And it has build-in silencer/supressor. :Drool:

Sox62 · « **Reply #81 on:** March 29, 2005, 02:25:55 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
Its relatively easy to obtain the automatic conversion kits. Whether they are legal or not is another matter.

Do tell.

Exactly where can these easy to obtain kits be purchased at?

I've never seen one.

Enlighten me...please.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #82 on:** March 29, 2005, 05:41:59 AM »

I need to find out now if my Ruger P95 and P97 are going to be illegal due to the new loaded chamber indicator law. Problem is Californias certified list isn't available at the moment. I haven't found a kit for it and I doubt anyone will buy one now because of the new law. Which means I'll be out of almost 900 bucks because of it.

Amazing that a bunch of idiots that are incompetent and don't know how to handle a firearm safely ruin it for everyone else. Maybe if they followed standard procedures for safely handling a firearm they wouldn't accidentally discharge the weapon and shoot themselves or someone else.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #83 on:** March 29, 2005, 06:48:17 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
"loaded chamber indicator" ?

Are we talking red lights and batteries here? What idiot came up with that?

LOL
On most it is a protruding lever or tab simply indicating...........well a loaded chamber.
Very few that I know of have pop-up neon signs.

Naso · « **Reply #84 on:** March 29, 2005, 07:13:17 AM »

Maybe the media label all automatic rifles as AK47 because is still the easiest weapon on wich put the hands on, the most produced, in number and the most, "unlicenced" copied in the world.

It's relatively easy to buy one here too, well... illegally, of course.

lazs2 · « **Reply #85 on:** March 29, 2005, 08:03:57 AM »

sun.. as bustr pointed out.. the media is as ignorant about firearms as you are. Don't you feel the least bit..... used?

The old Walther PPK has a loaded chamber indicator.. I pin protrudes out the recoil sheild... many semi autos have extractors that protrude when there is a loaded chamber... My Kimber has a tiny cutout in the top of the dhamber that you can see the rim of the round.. revolvers you can see the rims from the side. It is better to get into the habit of actually checking rather than to depend on an indicator tho.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #86 on:** March 29, 2005, 08:06:05 AM »

and sholtzie... what is a "good" gun control law? What gun control law ever passed has saved made the place it was passed safer from homicide or crime?

What safe storage law has lessened accidents or gun crime?

I now they sound good to you but they are just touchy feely and not only wothless but in most cases... do more harm than good.

lazs

weaselsan · « **Reply #87 on:** March 29, 2005, 08:22:52 AM »

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence.

Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.

Two homocides in 71 years....we need to take drastic action.

lazs2 · « **Reply #88 on:** March 29, 2005, 08:35:59 AM »

sholtzei... I have not problem with mandatory testing and gun safety classes... As I have said in the past... I think it should be taught in school I don't consider that a gun control law.

The thing about "gun clubs" is just plain silly. We have thousands of square miles of open land for kids to learn to shoot. gun accidents are going down every year without that nonsense of "gun clubs" most areas don't even have em... we are not a tiny little crowded socialist country.

Places that enact safe storage have not had any effect on crime. I think as guns are so expensive... safe storage is becomoning popular. I have a very good gun safe but am not required to do so... insurance often does not pay for lost guns. many people can't afford a safe and they would be prohibited from owning guns by your rules...

safe storage negates the benifiet of an armed society. if you can't get to a gun it does you no good. My guns are inthe safe except for one or two at any one time.

admit that you really don't know anything about it and that you are just stating an opinion that has no factual basis.

your priemis that just because our gun control doesn't work doesn't mean we shouldn't keep on making it more and more stringent reminds me of the commies who say the same thing about comunism...

lazs

Jackal1 · « **Reply #89 on:** March 29, 2005, 08:37:03 AM »

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Originally posted by weaselsan
It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence.

Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.

Two homocides in 71 years....we need to take drastic action.

Finaly looked it up huh?
Like I said, no biggy if you can pass the background check.
If you can`t pass the background check and you decide to take over ........ummmmmmmm Maryland for instance, you are not going to be too interested in the law to begin with.
Bans/controls/laws only work for the people willing to follow the law to begin with. These laws/bans, etc only make it harder on the law abiding citizen.