ok Euros, I need help.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by JB73
activities that end in a 2-2 tie are not real sports. there is no winner, only 2 losers

they can use the same way around this as  everyone else, make each goal count for more than 1 point.

[majic]

Originally posted by beet1e
I'll leave someone else to describe what happened in the Argentina v England World Cup game in 1986 - the "Hand of God" goal.

 

I'll bite.  Someone want to explain?

[RTStuka]

Blue,
  Another bit of info sometimes you will notice that the clock continues to run after the 45 minutes are up. This is to make up for injury or stopped play time, any time that the ball is out of bounds or there is an injury the clock continues to run so they add time on the end to make up for it.

[Pei]

Originally posted by majic
I'll bite.  Someone want to explain?

Diego Maradonna, the star striker of the Argentinians used his hand to knock the ball over the head of Peter Shilton, the England goalkeeper and into the back of the net.
It was perhaps the most blatant handball ever seen in international football but somehow the referee didn't see it and gave the goal (he may have been bending down to pick up his white cane at the time).

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Pei
Diego Maradonna, the star striker of the Argentinians used his hand to knock the ball over the head of Peter Shilton, the England goalkeeper and into the back of the net.
It was perhaps the most blatant handball ever seen in international football but somehow the referee didn't see it and gave the goal (he may have been bending down to pick up his white cane at the time).

Pei, I've seen that play 100 times and that ball was clearly off his neck/shoulder area.

You guys lost. Get over it.

[Pei]

Originally posted by Airhead
Pei, I've seen that play 100 times and that ball was clearly off his neck/shoulder area.

You guys lost. Get over it.

Do not feed the troll.

[BlueJ1]

Originally posted by RTStuka
Blue,
  Another bit of info sometimes you will notice that the clock continues to run after the 45 minutes are up. This is to make up for injury or stopped play time, any time that the ball is out of bounds or there is an injury the clock continues to run so they add time on the end to make up for it.

This explains alot! I was wondering of my adding skills were lacking when I added 45 and 45 to get 90 minutes, then the clock kept going.

Just watched England vs. N. Ireland (4-0) Good game.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by majic
I'll bite.  Someone want to explain?

I'm afraid I misled you by including that incident in a discussion about penalties. My point was that if Side A had driven the ball forward and into the penalty box of Side B, then if (for example)  a Side A player had an opportunity - a shot at goal - but his attempt was thwarted by a Side B player by foul means, eg. punching the ball away with his fist, or tackling the player from behind, a good referee (ie not the one that refereed England v Argentina in WC 1986) would book the Side B player. He would be shown the Red Card and sent off. After that, Side A would be awarded a penalty.

However, in the "Hand of God" incident, Diego Maradona was in an offensive position - in England's area when he punched the ball into the goal, so the most the referee could have done in that situation would be to disallow the "goal". DM might have been shown the yellow or even the red card, but it would have been a free kick to England - no penalty.

As for whether it was a handball incident, there is a video I've seen which is on the web somewhere. Argentina "won" 2-1, but the bookmakers refunded the stake money to those punters who had bet on a 1-1 result, which is what the score would have been but for the HOG goal.

Argentina got their comeuppance at the next World Cup in 1990, in which they reached the final but lost to Germany. I remember all the Argie whining. Clearly, they were used to having their own way, and it didn't happen that day. Germany won 1-0.

Pei mentioned Peter Shilton, the England goalkeeper. In the 1990 world cup, he was the oldest player in the tournament at 41, and was playing in his sixth consecutive world cup, the first being in 1970. And (you really want to know this) he was born in the same city as me, and played for them at age 16.

Hehe, I didn't know what to expect when the USA hosted the WC in 1994. But it was a good tournament. There were complaints from some players though - the grass had not been cut short enough. Also didn't Jack Charlton (Northern Ireland manager) get into trouble in Florida for allegedly coming onto the pitch? I think he was anxious for his players to drink more water during the match.

[Schutt]

Also there are some more rules you should know.

The foul play is divided into categories, so when you violate the rules your team looses the ball, when you violate them big time you get a yellow card and when you do a big no no you get the already mentioned red one.
Red card sends you off the field and leaves your team one player short. Also that player may not play the following match (depends on league, i think its the following 2 matches for some leagues?). You keep a yellow card for some matches and recieving a 2nd yellow card sends you off the field with red (or is it the 3rd?).

If there is a tie at the end of the game it depends on the rules weather the game may end this way, there is a shoot out or it is prolonged by 15mins. Also happens to be prolonged till the next goal.

On the free kick the players of the opposing team have to keep a min distance to the ball. The one kicking can choose to try and hit the goal directly but mostly the other team sets up a wall to make this impossible.

There is an "abseits" rule where if Team A passes forward to to his player and that player is closer to Team B goal than any player of team B except the goal keeper, team A looses the ball. The positions are counted at the moment the pass is shot, not recieved.

There is only a maximum amount of players per team allowed and a max number of changes during the game.

I am certainly no expert so maybe i got the rules a bit wrong... but its something to that extend. Maybe someone with more knoledge can give the correct interpretations.

[cpxxx]

Beetle, just a quick correction. Jack Charlton was the Republic of Ireland manager not Northern Ireland.  But you are correct about about the incident. Jack qualifies as the Ireland's most popular Englishman.  Thanks to what he started the Irish team is feared on the world stage and looks to be heading to the top of it's group over the likes of France and Switzerland.  Having said that they played badly the last two games. The current manager Brian Kerr is a neighbour of mine.

Northern Ireland on the other hand continues to sink into the abyss.

I must say it always amuses me that the Maradonna's goal still grates with English fans. Frankly England were not good enough on the day and remember Maradonna's second goal was voted the best ever by no more discerning judges than the British public.  

But it all proves just how intense the emotions become when your country is involved in a 'mere' soccer match.  I'm not even a soccer fan but  the stress I feel when watching Ireland play in a world cup match is rarely experienced elsewhere. I think Americans miss out on that intensity because the USA team is fairly lightweight and the game not as popular as elsewhere.

When Ireland plays an important match the streets empty. Work comes to a standstill and everybody is tense and excited. It's the same for England and most other countries.  Quite an experience.

[beet1e]

Abseits - Schutt is speaking of the offside rule.

Originally posted by cpxxx
Beetle, just a quick correction. Jack Charlton was the Republic of Ireland manager not Northern Ireland.  

You're right. At the time of the 1990/94 world cups, he was manager of Republic of Ireland.

But I could have sworn he had some affiliation with Northern Ireland, so I did a google search and found his autobiography here. There are quite a few copies being sold. One describes him as manager of Northern Ireland. Is this a mistake? If not, when was he manager of Northern Ireland?

[Chortle]

England often play like donkeys but Maradona cheated and thats just not cricket. These things dont go unnoticed by the Great Magnet though, hence Maradona now weighs 150kg and cant wipe his own arse with or without the hand of God.

[JB73]

Originally posted by vorticon
they can use the same way around this as  everyone else, make each goal count for more than 1 point.

ok... then 2 "scores" to 2 "scores"


Either way there is no winner

real sports have winners and losers, and the athletes are man enough to fight or play it out until it ends

[BlueJ1]

JB73, stop.
This is not debating if this game is more manly then any other game. Its just something to watch.

[Furball]

Blue, England are playing in about an hour and a half against Azerbaijan.... should be a walkover.

If you want to keep up to date with live scores and fixtures, check this out.  Also gives line ups.

http://score.planetfootball.com/