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Offline Seagoon

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FW190 Front views?
« on: March 29, 2005, 03:41:08 PM »
Hi guys,

Just saw the new 190 cockpit and while I'm well-impressed by the detail etc, I'm wondering if the control panel in the Real World 190 was really so high? Looks to me like you can barely see over it and any aircraft just below the nose will be well-nigh invisible.

Not a big deal, just wondering. I hardly ever fly the 190s anyway.

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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2005, 04:11:08 PM »
Yup. There are pics out there looking back from the cowl that show only a little rectangle the pilot looks through.

Thr sighting line was raised ~ 3* because of the 25* sloped glass.

There was a big stink aboutf the Fw190's forward view in Il-2. Naturally nothing was done about it dispite all the proofs that it was wrong.  :(

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2005, 04:26:49 PM »
As posted in other thread, Fw 190 frontal view from the pilot POV:


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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2005, 06:31:33 PM »
Gonna try and superimpose it upon our AH2 sample pic Nate provided... when I'm home.

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2005, 06:47:38 PM »
Couple more cockpits like this and everyones gona have a TIR!

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2005, 07:19:38 PM »
anyone know when they will put in the new 190 cockpit and skin?

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2005, 01:18:51 AM »
Next version, see the News&Announcements forum for yourself.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2005, 01:44:52 AM »


  At first, I didn't think it would be that much meaningful, since different perspective yields different looking surfaces... until I realized that the pic Mando posted is in almost exactly the same angle as the sample pic of the 190 cockpit Nate provided.

* The area outlined in white, is the real 190 cockpit. The rest of the areas, are the AH2 190 cockpit.

* No warping of the real 190 cockpit pic was done. Only the size has been altered to superimpose upon Nate's pic. The ratio of horizontal/vertical sizes remain the exactly the same.

* Notice how the real 190 cockpit guages almost exactly match the AH2 cockpit guages. (Big Kudos to Natedog)

* All of the areas highlighted in orange, can be considered as 'exaggerated'.

* The red lines indicate the continuity of the frontal 'bars'(swathed in leather?). The real 190 cockpit pic has the right part of the bars misaligned.

* I used Fester's cockpit shot and took the Revi12D gunsight and warped it a bit to fit the cockpit bars in proper scale. If we would be sitting in an AH2 Fw190A-5, the Revi12D gunsight should be that big.


Ofcourse, there could be some differences. Mando's cockpit picture, has a POV a bit higher than Nate's AH2 190 pit. So, the size of the frontal area of the windshield cannot be accurately compared.

However, the width of the canopy bars and struts, can be compared - and it is too dang thick.

 Especially two frontal struts - they are just waaaaaay too thick, even if we consider that Fw190A-8s had thicker armoured glass than the earlier 190s.




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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2005, 03:24:25 AM »
FW190A8 did not have thicker frontal glass than any other Fw190. All of the 190 had the same basic frontal glass.  

Some 190s used as specialist bomber destroyers were up armored with steel on the fuselage and special armor glass panels over the quarter windows of the windshield and also on the front part of the sliding canopy. The new AH 190 screenshot does not show these features. Also, these models were extreemly heavy and poor fliers and  few in number so I dont think HTC is modeling this version as our general Fw190a8 model.

So the thick bars are are just a bit of mistaken modeling of a difficult shape, and I think we can belive it will be corrected just like the Ki84 and P38G windshields were. Lets have the correct frames. :)

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2005, 09:35:01 AM »
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Originally posted by Kweassa
[B Especially two frontal struts - they are just waaaaaay too thick, even if we consider that Fw190A-8s had thicker armoured glass than the earlier 190s.  [/B]


My picture is from a 190A8.

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2005, 11:17:33 AM »
Thanks for the work Mando and Kweassa, it seemed like a little bit of an exageration.

Not that I want to give any of the Wuftwobbles a break... ;) So perhaps the next revision could have a little letterbox to look through on the D9?

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2005, 04:14:11 PM »
AWesome work Kweassa, WTG.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2005, 08:47:24 PM »
Damn right G NO twittlering with ma Wulf!

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2005, 10:47:47 AM »
Bump.

Just flew the D9 for a while, beside the fact that the aimin point is way below the center of the gunsight, the foward view is now absolutely horrible.

Especially that totaly overseized horziontal top bar, it almost completely blocks any 12oc high views. That way entire FW190 series is a nogo against any moving target, they can just hide behind those bars and do whatever they want.

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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2005, 10:59:55 AM »
It will never be corrected.