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Offline ASTAC

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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2005, 07:04:28 PM »
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Skuzzy,

In 1999 (I think) I was taking part in a Mass casualty evacuation drill down at Yuma MCAS.  We deployed to goodyear air field near phoenix/tuscon and were to be the casualties while helos, c-130s and the brand new V-22 were to swoop in and deliver us back to Yuma.

This was the time when the 22 went down with IIRC 16 Marines aboard.

A couple months later after they were done being grounded a buddy of mine out at camp lejune was supposed to perform "fast rope" drills from them.  Normally these arnt a problem being done from a CH-46 or A CH53.  But this day they were testing the V-22.  OVer half the platoon refused orders to get aboard because they had 6 months or less left in the Corps.

I pray that they have the bugs worked out of this air craft before they field it fleet wide.


The H-46 or Sea Knight has the worst record of any Navy/Marine Helicopter for losses not due to hostile fire...Plus they are much older than most pilots that fly them...Here in Norfolk the Navy has replaced em with a version of the HH-60 think we call it an MH-60 until the Osprey is online.
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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2005, 10:43:06 PM »
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The H-46 or Sea Knight has the worst record of any Navy/Marine Helicopter for losses not due to hostile fire...Plus they are much older than most pilots that fly them...Here in Norfolk the Navy has replaced em with a version of the HH-60 think we call it an MH-60 until the Osprey is online.


That's a good point actually.  I hear about 46s going down all the time killing the flight crew.  The difference, mostly irelevent though, is that you usually don't hear about them going down with a full compliment of Marines aboard.

What is relevent though, is that I hope they replace it with a product that is worth it and safe to operate.
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2005, 02:30:07 AM »
Why don't our forces just buy Russian SU's they seem to work OK.
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2005, 02:34:25 AM »
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Why don't our forces just buy Russian SU's they seem to work OK.


Now THAT would be funny!!
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2005, 03:54:43 AM »
"Why don't our forces just buy Russian SU's they seem to work OK."

Indeed, their ejection seats in particular are top-of-the-line and have in fact been demonstrated several times at airshows.


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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2005, 07:54:35 AM »
Though the SU-27/30 etc..is one of the best lookin aitcraft and one of the better performers....I'd never wish them on our guys.
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2005, 07:57:53 AM »
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One thing about the F22 i just dont understand is the thrust vectoring.    You have the Russian SU's  with 2 axis (x,y)vectoring,   and we make a bird that  that only has X!


Seems like some one missed something.



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They did build the.. X-31 I think to test 2d thrust vectoring. iirc, it could hold a 75 degree AOA while doing barrel rolls in level flight. It's not that they can't do it, the F-22 just doesn't need it =P

X-31 made for a pretty wild ride in Janes ATF Gold. No guns on it though :(
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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2005, 08:20:05 AM »
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"Why don't our forces just buy Russian SU's they seem to work OK."

Indeed, their ejection seats in particular are top-of-the-line and have in fact been demonstrated several times at airshows.


J_A_B


Bastard! :)

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